Leaders no longer get a personal visit of Jesus?

[_Thama]

Your candidness just made you easily my favorite apologist.

Why thank you sir. I tend to lean towards the critical side more often, but may I have your permission to add this to my sig line?

Go for it. Perhaps you aren't really a true apologist, but you at least appear to be a believer.

[_solomarineris]

I mean, WTF?

I've got a personal witness other day, from Jesus himself;
"Yes, I am a Jerk,
but my father is even bigger jerk"

[_Thama]

I mean, WTF?

I've got a personal witness other day, from Jesus himself;
"Yes, I am a Jerk,
but my father is even bigger jerk"

?????

I didn't say that. I quoted it from SC.

[_DarkHelmet]

In regards to Blacks and the Priesthood, every prophet that dealt with the growing faith in Africa post WW2 went to the Lord and asked him if they could extend the priesthood to the Negro race and were told "not yet" by the Lord. When Kimball went to the Lord to plead with him he was told to first repent of his prejudices and then he was allowed to extend it. The burden and work of the priesthood was given to the Negro race when it was the proper time. Every prophet went to the Lord on the matter and was told no. don't cast aspersion where it is unwarrented.

They should've asked a follow up question. Why was Elijah Abel given the priesthood by Joseph Smith and where is the revelation that bans the priesthood from blacks?

Would God stammer and try to dodge the question?

[_StructureCop]

Go for it. Perhaps you aren't really a true apologist, but you at least appear to be a believer.

Thank you. I would say on the whole that you're right.

[_Nightlion]

Joseph Smith taught those in authority should never stop trying for a personal visit/witness of Christ. Now it is discouraged among the leadership.

What has changed?

Wellllllllll, you see if at first you don't succeed never figure that you never entered in at the gate and are standing upon the rock and in the correct position to begin to get the apostolic and or personal visitation of Jesus Christ.

Which they are. Way off. And miserably unsuccessful. So they just quit.

[_Yoda]

In regards to Blacks and the Priesthood, every prophet that dealt with the growing faith in Africa post WW2 went to the Lord and asked him if they could extend the priesthood to the Negro race and were told "not yet" by the Lord. When Kimball went to the Lord to plead with him he was told to first repent of his prejudices and then he was allowed to extend it. The burden and work of the priesthood was given to the Negro race when it was the proper time. Every prophet went to the Lord on the matter and was told no. don't cast aspersion where it is unwarrented.

They should've asked a follow up question. Why was Elijah Abel given the priesthood by Joseph Smith and where is the revelation that bans the priesthood from blacks?

I would like to know this, myself.

Joseph Smith also integrated the Priesthood with women much more freely as well. Women administered healing blessings for the sick, etc.

As near as I can tell, the Church strongly mirrored many of Brigham Young's prejudices against both women and blacks. That seems to be when many of these changes started.

I would be very interested in documentation anyone may have regarding the beginning of the priesthood ban against blacks.

[_harmony]

Would God stammer and try to dodge the question?

One more time: try to not confuse God with the Brethren. When the Brethren aren't listening, which is much of the time, since they are men, why should God try to convince them? From his end, the communication channel is open. It's only on this end, men's end, that communication is blocked.

In other words, God was talking; not enough of the Brethren were listening.