To what extent are TBM/Apologist tastes Brethren-directed?

[_maklelan]

This is a devastating critique,

And an incredibly stupid one.

and it just goes to show how naïve TBM "epicures" like Maklelan and The Nehor really are. (Honestly---The Olive Garden? Not that I dislike the Olive Garden, but comparing "wine pairings" at the Olive Garden with wine pairings at, say, Guy Savoy is like comparing the prose of Danielle Steele to Virginia Woolf.)

I've asked you many times over not to misrepresent me. Gad insisted that Nehor lacked culture because he appeared unaware that "expensive French restaurants" have wine pairings. I was pointing out that awareness of wine pairings doesn't indicate acculturation, since the Olive Garden also has wine pairings. Save your pedantry.

Maklelan's basic contention is that he can edit out what he wants and still perceive a holistic sense of the culture. Okay: suppose we eliminate alcohol, but let's remember the the WoW also forbids the consumption of tea and coffee. Do the TBMs really want to argue that they have a full sense of the culture, cuisine and ceremonies of those cultures (e.g., Japan and China) without drinking tea?

I'll stop you there. First, if you want to speak of a fullness of acculturation, I still have far more culture than Gad or you without the alcohol or tea. Second, Gad's thread isn't about a fullness of culture, it was about the extent to which the Word of Wisdom precludes acculturation, and that extent is negligible. I've developed far more culture since giving up drinking than Gad has ever had. His "culture" also seems based exclusively on what he has observed on the internet.

This is to say nothing of things like film, TV, and comedy, much of which is also forbidden. Re: Liz's remarks, I recall "Scotty Dog" Lloyd sternly lecturing people on MAD that Jesus Christ: Superstar had been dismissed as degenerate art by the Brethren. (Can you imagine the FP sanctioning something like Rent, or Hair, or---and this would be classic---Angels in American?)

None of those things is "forbidden." Stop making up facts to support stupid ideas.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Can you imagine the FP sanctioning something like Rent, or Hair,

An interesting side-note....my TBM husband's parents saw the opening night original Broadway production of "Rent".

Which only shows that they were willing to disobey the Brethren's advice.

[_Eric]

Can you imagine the FP sanctioning something like Rent, or Hair,

An interesting side-note....my TBM husband's parents saw the opening night original Broadway production of "Rent".

My TBM family and friends saw a rendition of "Rent" and were utterly disgusted by it. They hated it. On one Facebook page a friend made a comment along the lines of: "If you like plays about gay people and glorifying homosexuality, you'll like Rent."

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[_karl61]

Can you imagine the FP sanctioning something like Rent, or Hair,

An interesting side-note....my TBM husband's parents saw the opening night original Broadway production of "Rent".

I use to work with a guy who was the High Priest group leader. He told me one time he and his wife went into the "PussyCat" theater and watched a movie. He told me that it was the dumbest thing he ever saw and they laughed through out the movie"

There are people that says they are TBM but they pay net on their tithing, do see R rated movies, and plan to confess their sins one time in the future. There is a saying that if you have to ask then it's probably not right. There are some that know that well and never ask.

[_maklelan]

But, in the response to the OP about how cultured a person is, it is OK to use bad grammar? I don't get your logic here? But, thanks. It is always nice to learn new rules of behavior from kids like yourself.

Oh, I've been put in my place now.

I know you have been in Provo, studying at BYU. I was just wondering if they allow that kind of grammar as common place. Probably won't fly in such a cultured place as Oxford. Better tighten that up there before you cross the Atlantic.

If you want to point out a grammatical error then do it, but stop wasting my time with this infantile attempt at subtlety.

Oh, and could you also lay down the rule for us so that we can distinguish between just a misspelling and a 'grievous' misspelling? I would really appreciate your help on that? Budding scholar that you are, and all.

A grievous misspelling is adding a /k/ to the end of a word that has no /k/, or adding the /u/ to the wrong syllable in "restaurant." A regular misspelling would be a typo, metathesis of a letter, or something like that.

[_karl61]

Maklelan is just being and ass. He is just here to harass people. He doesn't take any thing here seriously.

[_maklelan]

Which only shows that they were willing to disobey the Brethren's advice.

Is it "advice," or are those things "forbidden"?

[_Doctor Scratch]

and it just goes to show how naïve TBM "epicures" like Maklelan and The Nehor really are. (Honestly---The Olive Garden? Not that I dislike the Olive Garden, but comparing "wine pairings" at the Olive Garden with wine pairings at, say, Guy Savoy is like comparing the prose of Danielle Steele to Virginia Woolf.)

I've asked you many times over not to misrepresent me. Gad insisted that Nehor lacked culture because he appeared unaware that "expensive French restaurants" have wine pairings. I was pointing out that awareness of wine pairings doesn't indicate acculturation, since the Olive Garden also has wine pairings.

I guess you're saying that you don't understand what's different about wine pairings at The French Laundry vs. the wine pairing suggestions at The Olive Garden? Okay. Do you know what a sommelier is?

Maklelan's basic contention is that he can edit out what he wants and still perceive a holistic sense of the culture. Okay: suppose we eliminate alcohol, but let's remember the the WoW also forbids the consumption of tea and coffee. Do the TBMs really want to argue that they have a full sense of the culture, cuisine and ceremonies of those cultures (e.g., Japan and China) without drinking tea?

I'll stop you there. First, if you want to speak of a fullness of acculturation, I still have far more culture than Gad or you without the alcohol or tea. Second, Gad's thread isn't about a fullness of culture, it was about the extent to which the Word of Wisdom precludes acculturation, and that extent is negligible.

If this were true, then we could remove tea from Japan and China, wine from France, vodka from Russia, coffee from Turkey, beer from Germany, and mezcal from Mexico without any change to the culture whatsoever. Obviously, that's completely absurd.

I've developed far more culture since giving up drinking than Gad has ever had.

I would bet that these "developments" are all within safe, Brethren-sanctioned limits, but feel free to prove me wrong with salient examples. (I predict that you won't.)

[_maklelan]

Maklelan is just being and ass. He is just here to harass people. He doesn't take any thing here seriously.

Because none of these accusations are worth being taken seriously. This thread is the bigoted work of a pathological liar who has to use Google to support the assertion that he has culture worthy of emulation. He doesn't know what a Bordeaux is and he thinks awareness of a wine list = culture. And I'm the one being "and ass"?

[_Daniel Peterson]

I saw Rent in New York. It was okay. It's based on La bohème. I like La bohème better.

I saw Miss Saigon in New York, too, It was also okay. It's based on Madama Butterfly, at least in part. I prefer Madama Butterfly.

For the judges: Does this make me uncultured, or pretentious? (Those, it seems, are the choices permitted.)

your inability to properly appreciate many meals

It's this kind of idiocy that makes this thread and its sister threads so transparently, obviously, bogus.

You and Scratch Senior have devoted hundreds if not thousands of words to faulting my taste in literature, music, art, drama, and food without having ever met me and without knowing what I read, what I play and listen to, what museums I go to, what art books I have, what I have hanging on my walls, what theatrical works I attend or read, what films I watch, or what food I eat.

Once again, the Scratches just make things up.

Moreover, claiming that I'm necessarily seriously deficient in culture because I don't drink Bordeaux is no more plausible than asserting that a Jew who keeps kosher would, by that reason alone, be more or less uncultured. Anybody who's ever met a multilingual conservative or orthodox Jew, comfortable in several world cultures and deeply learned, would immediately see your posturing here as the shallow, self-congratulatory nonsense that it is. It would be simply preposterous to claim that Abraham Joshua Heschel was uncultured on the grounds that he never ate lobster, oysters, shrimp, clams, or crab.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Joshua_Heschel

It would be insane to assert that Joseph Soloveitchik could never really aspire to be a cultured human being without eating pork medallions or a BLT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_B._Soloveitchik

Yet, effectively, that's what our two wannabe sophisticates here are arguing.