A New Low for Mormon Apologists: Copyright Warfare

[_Infymus]

Ray, your post is slightly derailing of this thread, but I'll respond.

This b***s*** with these two mental cases has gone on long enough. I'm not going any further with it. You two want to harass me further then let's get attorneys involved.

It's probably not very often that I agree in Infymus, but in this case I do. On the other hand (trying to be balanced here), Infymus has posted many "vile files" on Daniel C. Peterson, and that is only one of them.

So it's difficult to avoid seeing some kind of "karmic" retribution here, and how it feels to be the subject of endless vilification and harassment. Yet DCP has thanked Infymus for being fair on this occasion.

Maybe you should look over some of the articles on DCP posted on your website, and determine whether they are fair assessments, or whether it was your intention to simply try to destroy his reputation.

No, this is different. The copyright brothers are harassing not only the EMF and the MC, but Dr. Shades' board as well. They have simply turned their attention to me for the moment because they've seen me react to it.

Dr. Peterson has made himself a public figure in the world of Mormon Apologetics. The Mormon Curtain is critical of his public figure.

Let me reiterate this. Dr. Peterson -

Works for, writes for, or is associated with for the Neil Maxwell Institute (formerly FARMS).

Is paid directly or indirectly by the LDS Church to publish Mormon apologetic works, and even if he isn’t paid, the LDS Church looks the other way while Dr. Peterson posts tens of thousands of messages on forums as a Mormon Apologist.

Is an admitted agent for the SCMC (past, unknown if current).

Writes articles on both FAIR and NWI (formerly FARMS).

Posts an incalculable amount of messages on Internet Forums, including MAD, MDB, and various other websites (including but not limited to blogs and online news agency comment sections). Please note that as of December, 2010 - the Mormon Apologetic And Discussion board wiped thousands of Dr. Peterson's messages from the board.

He has made himself a public figure.

He has placed himself and his works into the public where it can be read by anyone.

He has written articles defending the LDS Church on open public forums.

He has openly attacked critics of the LDS Church on open public forums.

He has attacked critics of the LDS Church in private emails, and then had those emails published on Mormon Apologetic Sites (see SHIELDS).

Not to mention recently has been leaving comments on blogs everywhere trying to point people back to pro Mormon websites. His latest was on Lyndon Lamborn's excommunication revisit where Peterson has been posting comments pointing people back to the MST site. Like that's really going to help convince people.

My articles on the Mormon Curtain are critical of Dr. Peterson's work in the world of apologetics. Peterson is the defacto king ping of the Mormon Apologetic world. And just like any politician or public figure there will be material that is critical of them.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Dr. Peterson has made himself a public figure in the world of Mormon Apologetics. The Mormon Curtain is critical of his public figure.

Criticism is one thing. Vilification is another.

However, it was Infymus's obscene and totally uncalled-for comments about my wife that, to me, plainly crossed a very important line.

Works for, writes for, or is associated with for the Neil Maxwell Institute (formerly FARMS).

That's true. I'm associated with the Neal A. Maxwell Institute.

Is paid directly or indirectly by the LDS Church to publish Mormon apologetic works,

Not true.

Well, essentially not true. I think, over the years, I've picked up $50 or $100 in honoraria for apologetic things that I've written on perhaps two or three occasions.

My salary is, as I've pointed out several score times, for my service as a professor in the Department of Asian and Near Eastern Languages at BYU and for my editing of the Middle Eastern Texts Initiative. (Twenty-two volumes and counting.)

and even if he isn’t paid,

A breakthrough!

the LDS Church looks the other way while Dr. Peterson posts tens of thousands of messages on forums as a Mormon Apologist.

Just as one of the eastern states "looks the other way" while one of the posters here, an employee at one of that state's universities, posts a comparable number of messages critical of the Church and of "mopologists."

Just as the employers of all the rest of the posters here -- those who are employed, anyhow -- "look the other way" while they participate on this board.

Is an admitted agent for the SCMC (past, unknown if current).

This is just silly.

Writes articles on both FAIR and NWI (formerly FARMS).

Guilty as charged. It fairly makes yer skin crawl, don't it?

"Writes articles"! Will the horror never end?

Posts an incalculable amount of messages

Trying to reform, on that point.

I bet I'm not the only one here who thinks that he or she may be wasting too much time on these places.

on Internet Forums, including MAD, MDB, and various other websites (including but not limited to blogs and online news agency comment sections).

Almost entirely on MAD and MDB. The others, during the past six months, could probably be counted on the fingers of two hands. (Still, even as I hope to decrease my participation on such boards as this, I intend to increase my participation on blogs and online news agency comment sections. They represent, for my nefarious purposes, a more effective use of time. I announced this because I don't want those on this board who obsessively track my every action and archive my every utterance -- there are at least two of them -- to be caught by surprise.)

Please note that as of December, 2010 - the Mormon Apologetic And Discussion board wiped thousands of Dr. Peterson's messages from the board.

If they did that -- and I don't know that they did -- they did it without my knowledge. I've heard, but can't confirm it, that they eliminated hundreds of past threads. I have no reason to believe, if that's true, that anything by me was specifically singled out.

He has made himself a public figure.

Probably true, to some extent. But that doesn't justify mistreatment.

He has placed himself and his works into the public where it can be read by anyone.

I certainly hope so.

He has written articles defending the LDS Church on open public forums.

Horrible, but true.

He has openly attacked critics of the LDS Church on open public forums.

I've criticized them, yes.

He has attacked critics of the LDS Church in private emails, and then had those emails published on Mormon Apologetic Sites (see SHIELDS).

I've never attacked anybody in my life, online or not, with the vitriol that Infymus has directed against me. Not within many miles.

Nobody can demonstrate otherwise without forgery, and anybody who knows me will immediately recognize that what I say in this regard is true.

I just don't do such things.

Not to mention recently has been leaving comments on blogs everywhere trying to point people back to pro Mormon websites. His latest was on Lyndon Lamborn's excommunication revisit where Peterson has been posting comments pointing people back to the MST site. Like that's really going to help convince people.

I think that the U.S. Constitution grants me just as much freedom to post on blogs and in comment sections as it grants to anybody else.

My articles on the Mormon Curtain are critical of Dr. Peterson's work in the world of apologetics.

Not fairly, though. And certainly not charitably.

Peterson is the defacto king ping of the Mormon Apologetic world.

Infymus flatters me.

I would name somebody else for that honor, actually.

And just like any politician or public figure there will be material that is critical of them.

And, sadly, there will inevitably be scurrilous and unjust and vicious criticisms of just about any public figure. It goes with the territory. But that doesn't make it right.

[_Joseph]

per infaymous: "I'm not paranoid about either of them no matter what they may think. My focus was that nobody appointed either of them to police copyrights. They have taken it on themselves to do so. I don't give a damn about their copyright issues."
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The only thing needed for evil copyright thieves to triumph is that Good Men do nothing to stop them.

Quit whining boy. You sound like all the criminals in the pen when you do so.

[_Joseph]

infaymos wrote: "Peterson is the defacto king ping of the Mormon Apologetic world."
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Hey donut Danny, how does it feel to a King Ping? Bet you are the first one on these forums.

Keep it up and infidel will probably anoint you 'Lord of the Files'.

[_Daniel Peterson]

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[_Simon Belmont]

yip yip yip! yip yip! yip yip yip yip! <snip> yip yip! yip yip yip yip yip yip! yip!

LOL!

[_Infymus]

Criticism is one thing. Vilification is another.

However, it was Infymus's obscene and totally uncalled-for comments about my wife that, to me, plainly crossed a very important line.

Dan you still never answered my original question of whether or not you call out your own name.

Nothing you've said merits response Dan as I mostly agree or disagree with you. On top of that, this thread has nothing to do again, with you and I and our lovely history. It's about the copyright issues by Joe and his Bro.

And when I said "King Ping", I meant King Pin. Slight typo there. You are indeed the King Pin of the apologetic world. Last I heard, Hugh was dead and not even Chapel Mormons listen to Ash or Lindsay, let alone Schryver.

Well, I've got important things to do, like, well, nothing really but enjoy the summer and some vacation coming up. Not going to respond anymore to this thread. Dan you know where we sit, so not much else to say there. We can pick this up later, I'm sure.

[_Joseph]

great job infomouse, respon to tell everyone you are not going to respond.
Do you lay awake at night trying to come up with this stuff?

Maybe you need to read the articles written by the KingPing and get inspired?

If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear, do you?

[_beefcalf]

Wait... What?

Mahonri Moriancumr is the brother of Joseph... ???? What the hell? I thought he was the brother of Jared.

[_Simon Belmont]

Mahonri Moriancumr is the brother of Joseph... ???? What the hell? I thought he was the brother of Jared.

Yeah, it's the Moron family. One thinks he's a photojournalist, and one thinks he's the Internet sheriff.

Good times, I guess.