Daniel Peterson wrote:Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.
I've seen no serious evidence that Will Schryver is a misogynist.
I'll repeat that: I've seen no serious evidence that Will Schryver is a misogynist.
None.
Perhaps you folks should reprise a few hundred of the posts that were devoted to that endlessly fascinating subject here a few months back. They didn't convince me then, and they probably won't convince me now
Thanks, Dan.
That's all that I needed to hear.
"It seems to me that these women were the head (κεφάλαιον) of the church which was at Philippi." ~ John Chrysostom, Homilies on Philippians 13
Not to prolong the Schryver-bashing, but people will say a lot of things on Internet message boards that don't match their real life personalities.
For example, I am a jerk to most critics here. If I met them in real life, there is no way I would be unkind. It's not who I am. It's far too easy to be unkind to faceless nameless screennames on the Internet.
Dan, you obviously hold the behavior of your fellow loyalists to a much lower standard and you should know this. I wonder what Hoskisson and Hauglid think about your defense of Schryver. Have you tried to throw your weight around to change their minds? It isn't us you need to convince.
Everything MsJack has presented in in fact "evidence" by every definition of the term, and the fact that you refuse to acknowledge it does violence to your credibility. Especially in light of your past silliness, insisting that any "parallel" imagined by an apologist counts as valid "evidence" for the Books of Abraham/Mormon.
So Schryver doesn't abuse his wife and kids. Who the hell ever said he did? You're ignoring what he has said and done and focusing on what he hasn't said or done. Your apologetics for fellow loyalists is not much different from your apologetics of Mormon related issues.
Everything MsJack has presented in in fact "evidence" by every definition of the term, and the fact that you refuse to acknowledge it does violence to your credibility. Especially in light of your past silliness, insisting that any "parallel" imagined by an apologist counts as valid "evidence" for the Books of Abraham/Mormon.
So Schryver doesn't abuse his wife and kids. Who the hell ever said he did? You're ignoring what he has said and done and focusing on what he hasn't said or done. Your apologetics for fellow loyalists is not much different from your apologetics of Mormon related issues.
Why does this matter so much?
mikwut
All communication relies, to a noticeable extent on evoking knowledge that we cannot tell, all our knowledge of mental processes, like feelings or conscious intellectual activities, is based on a knowledge which we cannot tell. -Michael Polanyi
"Why are you afraid, have you still no faith?" Mark 4:40
I have to say that, while I'm not really all that surprised, I find Dr. Peterson's comments on this thread quite disappointing. If I recall correctly, I said during the initial posting of MsJack's assessment of Schryver's posting career that Dr. Peterson actually seemed/seems to enjoy and like Schryver's "locker room" antics. I'm sure there is a part of DCP that really relishes the vicious and misogynist slamming of female critics of the Church. There is a part of him that is genuinely sadistic, and that enjoys trying to humiliate and emotionally wound critics, including female critics, and I think that his affection for Will is just another part of this.
All that said, I found it remarkable and telling that he decided to have a "lunch date" with Will. It seemed clear at one point that Will's prospects of publishing with the Maxwell Institute were nil, on account of his unsavory behavior, though now it appears that DCP is going to bat for him. I was told at one point that the folks at the M.I. were divided in their assessment of MsJack's posting--with some of them thinking that association w/ Will was too dangerous and others (including, as I recall, Dr. Midgley) thinking that there should be zero capitulation whatsoever to the "antis." In other words, they would rather tank the entire reputation of FARMS rather than show weakness in the face of criticism.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
wenglund wrote: Perhaps the two cents could have been better spent buying a sense of humor.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Actually, Bobby Peru, I'm laughing right now. Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
wenglund wrote: That is one perspective. Others of us have a different perspective, and don't believe Joseph got the Book of Abraham "translation" wrong.
Sorry but the evidence is just to much on this issue. The apologetics are the weakest I have seen on any LDS issue.
At the very least, though, I hope people now realize that there is evidence that Joseph, as well as the Church, believed the Book of Abraham translation was revelatory, while the same may not be said of the KP "translation."
We also know that Joseph's use of the Gael at a minimum was meant for translating, not that it could actually translate anything accurately. Will be interesting to see where this new information leads.
Themis wrote:[quote="wenglund"[Sorry but the evidence is just to much on this issue. The apologetics are the weakest I have seen on any LDS issue.
That is one opinion. Again, others of us reasonably disagree.
We also know that Joseph's use of the Gael at a minimum was meant for translating, not that it could actually translate anything accurately.
I am not sure how much can reasonably be extrapolated regarding the meaning of the KEP from at best as single instance of a comparison of a single character.
Will be interesting to see where this new information leads.
Me, too.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
"Why should I care about being consistent?" --Mister Scratch (MD, '08)