Holy Ghost on vacation...again...

[_LDSToronto]

But, Drifting, this is really where the Priesthood rubber meets the Revelatory road, no? I mean, the LDS church doesn't need to rely on a man-made law if the Holy Ghost would just tell the leaders when a child is in danger, or better yet, only inspire bishops to call people who are not going to rape kids.

It really is that simple.

H.

Does the Holy Ghost need to tell LDS when to put man made smoke detectors in their homes or church buildings? Monitoring equipment is the same thing and the assumption should be that all children are in danger without it.

I admit, I'm not all that great at satire, but if I were to continue this line, I'd say, yes that is exactly what the Holy Ghost should be telling us (unless we have been fore-ordained to die in a fire).

The point I'm making, and I believe others such as Drifting, are making, is this:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS REVELATION FROM A SUPERNATURAL, METAPHYSICAL DEITY

H.

[_Jersey Girl]

Drifting

But sadly, the assumption in Mormonism is that all children are safely protected by God, his inspired Priesthood holding servants and the Holy Ghost.

Do LDS put smoke detectors in their homes and church buildings?
Do LDS check the brakes on the vehicles that they transport their children in?
Do LDS stop at stop signs when transporting their children?

I realize you are trying to take a crack at the doctrine of the Holy Ghost in Mormonism, but you aren't answering my questions and the comments that you are making, don't hold water.

[_Jersey Girl]

LDST

I admit, I'm not all that great at satire, but if I were to continue this line, I'd say, yes that is exactly what the Holy Ghost should be telling us (unless we have been fore-ordained to die in a fire).

The point I'm making, and I believe others such as Drifting, are making, is this:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS REVELATION FROM A SUPERNATURAL, METAPHYSICAL DEITY

A young girl was raped in her church building and you are debating the philosophical.

Cool.

[_LDSToronto]

LDST

I admit, I'm not all that great at satire, but if I were to continue this line, I'd say, yes that is exactly what the Holy Ghost should be telling us (unless we have been fore-ordained to die in a fire).

The point I'm making, and I believe others such as Drifting, are making, is this:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS REVELATION FROM A SUPERNATURAL, METAPHYSICAL DEITY

A young girl was raped in her church building and you are debating the philosophical.

Cool.

Well, Jersey Girl, I'm sure the irony of your criticism is not lost on all - but just in case, we (as in me, you, all of us on this thread) are all getting our ya-ya's out on this thread *because* a girl was raped by a Primary teacher. So don't get all high and mighty - you are here too. You contributions are no more valid or important than mine or Driftings, your professional experience notwithstanding.

And second, what you may not understand is how belief in the infallibility of continuing revelation by church officials leads to these types of things happening. This is one of the things that make Mormons Mormon.


H.

[_LDSToronto]

Drifting

But sadly, the assumption in Mormonism is that all children are safely protected by God, his inspired Priesthood holding servants and the Holy Ghost.

Do LDS put smoke detectors in their homes and church buildings?
Do LDS check the brakes on the vehicles that they transport their children in?
Do LDS stop at stop signs when transporting their children?

I realize you are trying to take a crack at the doctrine of the Holy Ghost in Mormonism, but you aren't answering my questions and the comments that you are making, don't hold water.

Of course they do all that stuff. So, given they do all that stuff, what does that tell you about the faith LDS *really* have in the revelatory process?

H.

[_why me]

Given the LDS Church's strong and visible emphasis on growing families, the LDS Church should by rights, be the model of child protection that other churches look to for guidance!

Is this a joke? No one can protect children against someone who wishes to molest a child. What can any organization do? The LDS church does quite well when it comes to protecting children against predators. But it is impossible to have a clean record when such a problem is a epidemic.

[_why me]

Perhaps God could stop calling people to Primary or Youth callings if they are prone to pedophile type inclinations - that might just help.

And how does it do this? Should a part of the interview process be: excuse me brother jones, but do you have pedophile inclinations?

Anytime an adult is with a child or even if adults are with a child, child abuse can happen. The only solutions are to do away with all sports camps, swim clubs, track and field practice, basketball practice, football practice, sunday school, school in general and on and on it goes.

[_why me]

It's going to take a while for me to get this out of my gut so, just hang on folks. This is what I do every single week day of my life and have done for nearly 30 years now. So bear with me...

I have worked in classrooms equipped with glass doors, observation windows and where the ceilings are miked to allow every word that comes out of my mouth to be heard.

This state of the art monitoring and observation are there for multiple reasons.

1. To allow administrators to observe teaching practice for staff eval.
2. To allow parents to observe their child during class.
3. To allow teaching students/visiting professionals to observe teaching practice.
4. To make me fully observable with the end goal being the prevention of child abuse or neglect.

It is like teaching in a department store display window. :-)

As I mentioned not long ago, BYU has it's own early childhood program including a lab school that delivers early education to young children and supports the student teaching program. I assume that this is a high quality program since I have worked with it's graduates and it is referenced in college ECE text books.

How about connect the dots?

How about sourcing the ECE professionals from the BYU ECE program into the community as consultants so that the consult begins at BYU and leads to the local Wards? Let the ECE professionals from BYU collaborate with local law enforcement and social services to develop the classes in identifying and preventing child abuse and bring THAT into the Wards.

From what I can tell, the LDS Church is dumping tons of dollars into a mall project, I believe, in the Salt Lake City area.

How about redirecting some cash into the Wards to ensure that monitoring equipment, including installing video cameras in strategic places, is installed and put to use in each Ward?

Essentially, how about step up to the plate? The human and financial resources are already in place.

How about use them?

And even with all your 1984 ideas, someone somewhere will still sexually abuse a child. One cannot be watched 24/7. Plus, with a child under constant surveilence, he or she will develop a phobia or phobias.

Here is a better idea: begin to understand why abusing children (not just sexually) is at an all time high. Why is there so much sexual abuse and what is behind it?

[_just me]

The bishop asks if you touch your own penis. Of course, they could ask if you touch children or have sexual thoughts about children. They ask if you look at porn...they could ask if you look at kiddie porn.

And, yeah, background checks/fingerprinting are great but are only useful in catching previous offenders.

If the church would just do what Jersey Girl has suggested it would be awesome and show that the church really does care about children and their safety.

[_just me]

Here is a better idea: begin to understand why abusing children (not just sexually) is at an all time high. Why is there so much sexual abuse and what is behind it?

CFR that child abuse of all forms are at "an all time high." I have not seen these stats.

I would imagine that adults who sexually abuse children are jacked in the head. Is pedo a mental illness? Yes. From what I understand about 5% of the population is estimated to have it.