Worshiping Science

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_Chap
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Re: Worshiping Science

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Franktalk wrote:
Drifting wrote:How does the worship of Christ influence you for the better?
What I mean is, what do you do conciously do differently specifically because of your knowledge of Christ, that you wouldn't do if you were an atheist?


This is a good question. For me I see people with depth. So the surface behavior I deal with but I love the spirit within. I do not think an atheist does this.


Yup. I find that the skin is the limit. When I try to get further in than that, it all just ends up with a lot of blood and screaming, and the police get called. Not much love there!

Where am I going wrong?
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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_Hades
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Re: Worshiping Science

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Science doesn't require worship for it to work. Antibiotics will cure even apostate heathens such as myself.
I'm the apostate your bishop warned you about.
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_Ceeboo
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Re: Worshiping Science

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Hi Drifting,

Drifting wrote:
How does the worship of Christ influence you for the better?


"For the better?" (This would largely depend on who you ask, as well as what one chooses to use as a measuring stick for (and what defines) "better", in my estimation)

What I mean is, what do you do conciously do differently specifically because of your knowledge of Christ, that you wouldn't do if you were an atheist?


I'm not sure that I would "do" anything differently.

I think (as a believer) that I give the credit/thanks/praise to a source that might be different than the source used by my atheist friends.

Peace,
Ceeboo
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_Buffalo
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Re: Worshiping Science

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Nightlion wrote:The OP misapprehends worship by suggesting it is a debasement of the human spirit.


Bow and scrape, dog!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: Worshiping Science

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Ceeboo wrote:Hey Buffalo,

Buffalo wrote:
However, what, in all the history of humanity, would be more deserving of worship than science,


Jesus Christ?

Peace,
Ceeboo


What did he do that deserves your worship? He thought he was the Jewish Messiah (not God). He didn't fulfill any of the Messianic prophesies though. He had a few nice ideas (not unique to him) and a few bad ideas. He was seemly arrogant and cocksure, and thumbed his nose at the religious leadership of the time, and was murdered for it. I'm sure he didn't deserve to die, but I can't think of anything he did worthy of worship.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: Worshiping Science

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Ceeboo wrote:
Buffalo wrote:Anti-science folks often accuse atheists and other rational people



There are "other rational people" who are not atheists?

Do tell?


Peace,
Ceeboo


Sure, agnostics. :)
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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_Ceeboo
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Re: Worshiping Science

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Hey again, Buffalo

Buffalo wrote:
What did he do that deserves your worship?


Although I would guess that we would disagree on what he did, I would suggest that who he was/is is at the very center of why I (and at least a few others) humbly stand in worship.

He thought he was the Jewish Messiah (not God).


Disagree on both of your suggestions.

1. He was/is the Messiah (Son of God/God in the flesh)
2. It is my beloved Jewish friends who did not/still don't think he was/is.

He didn't fulfill any of the Messianic prophesies though.


You're kidding, yes?

He had a few nice ideas


Considering the author of this comment, I'll take it. :)

He was seemly arrogant and cocksure, and thumbed his nose at the religious leadership of the time


Note to self: Buy Buffalo a mirror for Christmas.

I'm sure he didn't deserve to die, but I can't think of anything he did worthy of worship.


Yes, thinking has never been your strong suit.

Peace,
Ceeboo
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_Buffalo
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Re: Worshiping Science

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Ceeboo wrote:
Although I would guess that we would disagree on what he did, I would suggest that who he was/is is at the very center of why I (and at least a few others) humbly stand in worship..


Yes, but why?

Ceeboo wrote:
Disagree on both of your suggestions.

1. He was/is the Messiah (Son of God/God in the flesh)
2. It is my beloved Jewish friends who did not/still don't think he was/is.


The Messiah was not supposed to be either a god or a son of god, but rather a mortal man who would lead the Jews to their glorious blah blah blah.

Ceeboo wrote:
You're kidding, yes?


What Messianic prophesies do you think Yeshua ben Yosef fulfilled?

Ceeboo wrote:
Note to self: Buy Buffalo a mirror for Christmas.


Not to Ceeboo: I have never, at any time, claimed that anyone's eternal fate depended upon me.

Ceeboo wrote:
Yes, thinking has never been your strong suit.

Peace,
Ceeboo


No need for that, Mr. Ceeboo.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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_Molok
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Re: Worshiping Science

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Ceeboo wrote:Disagree on both of your suggestions.

1. He was/is the Messiah (Son of God/God in the flesh)
2. It is my beloved Jewish friends who did not/still don't think he was/is.


Aren't your beloved Jewish friends the ones who wrote the Messiah prophecies? Wouldn't they be the best ones to decide who does / doesn't fulfill them?
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_Ceeboo
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Re: Worshiping Science

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Hey Buffalo,

Buffalo wrote:
No need for that, Mr. Ceeboo.


I agree and offer you my apology.

Peace,
Ceeboo
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