Farewell Friends, I Was Just Called As Bishop

[_Melchett]

You are an ass, FAQ.

ldsfaqs: Likes questions, but fails on answers.

[_DrW]

I'm not ultra-familiar with Wang Chung, but from what he has said in this thread if true I have SERIOUS problems with him both being and accepting a call to be Bishop.

He has stated that he has many serious issues with Mormonism, AND he has issues with most LDS apologists. That doesn't sound at all like someone who is true to the faith, and especially someone who is going to be standing as a watchman over his Ward ensuring orthodoxy etc.

Have you made the Stake President fully aware that you have all these problems?
I cannot believe at all that someone with the "depth" of problems that you have, that any Stake President would call you as Bishop if they knew. Thus, it sounds like you are in fact lying and not being true to yourself taking this call, that you are deceiving the Church.

I find that to be without honor and character.

Have you referred them to your posts on this forum, to see if they approve of your judgments against the Church and it's members, such as LDS apologists?

If not, then you are doing evil by downplaying your lack of belief and lack of orthodoxy.

You are an ass, FAQ.

And that's how we roll down here in the lower kingdoms.

(Minimal moderation cuts both ways.)

[_Shulem]

I'm not ultra-familiar with Wang Chung, but from what he has said in this thread if true I have SERIOUS problems with him both being and accepting a call to be Bishop.

There ain't nothing you can say about it. The man has been called of God, as was Aaron. That is the order of the priesthood.

He has stated that he has many serious issues with Mormonism, AND he has issues with most LDS apologists. That doesn't sound at all like someone who is true to the faith, and especially someone who is going to be standing as a watchman over his Ward ensuring orthodoxy etc.

And you don't have issues? Sounds like sour grapes. What about your faith in the name of the king in Facsimile No. 3? And what about your faith in Joe Smith calling an Egyptian god a slave? Do you take issue with these matters?

Have you made the Stake President fully aware that you have all these problems?I cannot believe at all that someone with the "depth" of problems that you have, that any Stake President would call you as Bishop if they knew. Thus, it sounds like you are in fact lying and not being true to yourself taking this call, that you are deceiving the Church.

Why should the Stake President be made aware of these things at the hand of mortal man when he has the all powerful Holy Ghost to give him knowledge and revelation in deciding what to do? What ever happened to Mormon revelation? What ever happened to discernment through the gift of the Spirit?

I find that to be without honor and character.

And where is your honor and character, you little worm? What is the name of the king written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3? Is there not a Mormon on the face of the earth that can tell?

It's The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day boners.

Paul O

[_sock puppet]

I'm not ultra-familiar with Wang Chung, but from what he has said in this thread if true I have SERIOUS problems with him both being and accepting a call to be Bishop.

He has stated that he has many serious issues with Mormonism, AND he has issues with most LDS apologists. That doesn't sound at all like someone who is true to the faith, and especially someone who is going to be standing as a watchman over his Ward ensuring orthodoxy etc.

Have you made the Stake President fully aware that you have all these problems?
I cannot believe at all that someone with the "depth" of problems that you have, that any Stake President would call you as Bishop if they knew. Thus, it sounds like you are in fact lying and not being true to yourself taking this call, that you are deceiving the Church.

I find that to be without honor and character.

Have you referred them to your posts on this forum, to see if they approve of your judgments against the Church and it's members, such as LDS apologists?

If not, then you are doing evil by downplaying your lack of belief and lack of orthodoxy.

But ldsfaqs, his SP has the HG and the power of discernment. No need for Everybody Wang Chung to say anything. Elohim has surely already informed the SP of all there is to know about Everybody Wang Chung in this regard.

Or is the SP just an uninspired man?

[_Melchett]

But ldsfaqs, his SP has the HG and the power of discernment. No need for Everybody Wang Chung to say anything. Elohim has surely already informed the SP of all there is to know about Everybody Wang Chung in this regard.

Or is the SP just an uninspired man?

Exactly. Are you calling false the callings of the true Church?

[_The Mighty Builder]

This is not a test of the leadership of the Mormon Church. This is a challenge of Personal Integrity.

What good does it do to serve as a Bishop in an organization that you have personal doubts about? How can one teach morals, truth, honesty, integrity, virtue and the likes to others when the teacher has none of these qualities. This is no better than a Pro Athlete doing public service announcements about the dangers of illegal drugs only to be caught in a dragnet using such. This is no better than an accountant stealing from his client and then explaining it as a market loss or such. This is no better than any other dishonest act of a coward in presenting themselves as something they are not.

Shame on you.

[_Melchett]

This is not a test of the leadership of the Mormon Church. This is a challenge of Personal Integrity.

What good does it do to serve as a Bishop in an organization that you have personal doubts about? How can one teach morals, truth, honesty, integrity, virtue and the likes to others when the teacher has none of these qualities. This is no better than a Pro Athlete doing public service announcements about the dangers of illegal drugs only to be caught in a dragnet using such. This is no better than an accountant stealing from his client and then explaining it as a market loss or such. This is no better than any other dishonest act of a coward in presenting themselves as something they are not.

Shame on you.

Are you calling out the Holy Spirit on this one?

[Guest]

Just imagine if his Stake Presidency was to read every post he has written on this board. Just imagine if all the active members of his ward read all the posts. How could he lead his ward without bringing shame on himself and the leaders who called him to the work? Good God! Only a Mormon apologist could explain that. What would Tommy-boy Monson say?

Paul O

[_Morley]

This is not a test of the leadership of the Mormon Church. This is a challenge of Personal Integrity.

What good does it do to serve as a Bishop in an organization that you have personal doubts about? How can one teach morals, truth, honesty, integrity, virtue and the likes to others when the teacher has none of these qualities. This is no better than a Pro Athlete doing public service announcements about the dangers of illegal drugs only to be caught in a dragnet using such. This is no better than an accountant stealing from his client and then explaining it as a market loss or such. This is no better than any other dishonest act of a coward in presenting themselves as something they are not.

Shame on you.

Thanks for explanation, Builder. I was, perhaps, too harsh with my words.

I'm sure that you'd agree that organizations are often reformed by those working from within as well as by those on the outside. If we don't invest in the institutions around us, we can never hope to change them for the better. Or am I wrong?

[Guest]

If we don't invest in the institutions around us, we can never hope to change them for the better. Or am I wrong?

That's correct. If the people who want change are not allowed into the church and allowed to have influence then the "guardian" temperments will keep pushing for more and more "orthodoxy" and end up like the jews with rules protecting the rules and then more crazy rules to baracade in the previous rules.

We need to not loose focus on the two great commandments. Love God and love your neighbor. That's the only orthodoxy that really matters.

edit: The church is not a dictatorship. The church is not perfect, there has never been any claim of perfection, not about leadership, not about the Book of Mormon, not about anything. There was not revelation on blood atonement, it was a mistake, there was not revelation on the priesthood ban, it was a mistake....there have been lots of mistakes. The mistakes tend to not get corrected without some sort of pressure.