ldsfaqs wrote:Top LDS leaders who get a "living stipend" get such through the Churches TAXED Business Holdings, not through "Tithing".
Tithing doesn't pay the leaders, and Tithing doesn't pay for shopping Malls, so will you people STOP LYING....???
How do you know?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
ldsfaqs wrote:Top LDS leaders who get a "living stipend" get such through the Churches TAXED Business Holdings, not through "Tithing".
Tithing doesn't pay the leaders, and Tithing doesn't pay for shopping Malls, so will you people STOP LYING....???
How do you know?
Because people have been working for the Church for years, and thus we know. We are actually a fairly tight Church. I've lived in Hawaii, Malaysia, Singapore, and South Korea, and it's amazing how many people you actually know or know someone you know. When you're in the Church system, you know how it works. That's how we know.
Further, the Church is audited, that's also how we know. Just because you as an outsider don't know what's going on with the Church and it's funds doesn't mean we don't. We do.
"Socialism is Rape and Capitalism is consensual sex" - Ben Shapiro
ldsfaqs wrote: Because people have been working for the Church for years, and thus we know. We are actually a fairly tight Church. I've lived in Hawaii, Malaysia, Singapore, and South Korea, and it's amazing how many people you actually know or know someone you know. When you're in the Church system, you know how it works. That's how we know.
Further, the Church is audited, that's also how we know. Just because you as an outsider don't know what's going on with the Church and it's funds doesn't mean we don't. We do.
Where is your documentation that LDS leaders aren't paid through tithing?
If you have no documentation, I'll be forced to conclude that you are a LIAR and a MINION of SATAN!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Because people have been working for the Church for years, and thus we know. We are actually a fairly tight Church. I've lived in Hawaii, Malaysia, Singapore, and South Korea, and it's amazing how many people you actually know or know someone you know. When you're in the Church system, you know how it works. That's how we know.
Further, the Church is audited, that's also how we know. Just because you as an outsider don't know what's going on with the Church and it's funds doesn't mean we don't. We do.
Ah, so you are living off of assumptions and heresy? Note - because the church passes an audit doesn't mean it uses tithing the way it's members presume it's used.
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
When I was in Bolivia, our stake president was the director of the local Church Distribution Center. He had been embezzling a lot of money from the church for years before he was caught and excommunicated.
Passing an audit sometimes means you simply discover who has stolen what.
ldsfaqs wrote:Because people have been working for the Church for years, and thus we know. We are actually a fairly tight Church. I've lived in Hawaii, Malaysia, Singapore, and South Korea, and it's amazing how many people you actually know or know someone you know. When you're in the Church system, you know how it works. That's how we know.
Further, the Church is audited, that's also how we know. Just because you as an outsider don't know what's going on with the Church and it's funds doesn't mean we don't. We do.
Just because the church is audited doesn't mean the audits are given out in annual reports of income and expenses.
Every dime the church has ever received started out as a donation. EVERY dime. Even while the leaders admit this, some members just cannot bear the idea that our leaders are paid with the widow's mite.
My poverty stricken mother in law paid for Packer's million dollar home. The man has no honor.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
I returned to the country of my mission after I had married a girl from the same country. It was like stepping into another world.
A young couple with three small children, who I had known while on my mission, is one such story. The wife seduced a young missionary who had been often invited, with his companion, home for Sunday dinners. The young missionary was dishonorably discharged, excommunicated, of course. The wife abandoned her three small children and flew to SLC to meet up with her disgraced lover. I imagine his family got quite a shock when she turned up on their doorstep. The ex-missionary shunned her, she enrolled in BYU and was soon dating another returned missionary to whom she married, temple and all.
The young father, left with three small children, struggled with work and taking care of the children but after a year or so, met, dated and engaged a single mother of four children. He received a threat of excommunication when he admitted to having sex with his to-be wife. But they married, had child number 8 as a common bond but later fell into inactivity. I know the husband was bitter.
My question was, and still is, how come the first wife breezed through this chaotic situation never once being even disfellowshipped? Does a pretty face and a cheerful "sorry" equal full membership?
In the same branch a young man struggled with his own homosexuality. He married but that soon ended in ruin. While receiving counseling he entered into a homosexual relationship with one of the district counsellors. He was silent about this for many years but when he finally disclosed the whole situation he was instantly excommunicated but the counsellor admitted nothing and later went on to even higher positions of authority. (of course I'm not privy to what the counsellor did or did not admit to but there was no gap in his leadership positions)
Divinely inspired leadership? I don't think so.
And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love...you make. PMcC
bcuzbcuz wrote:Divinely inspired leadership? I don't think so.
And it took you how long to figure this out?
Advancement in the church is based on who you know, how much money you have, and what connections you can offer. Amazing how often it all comes down to money.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Just to clarify, the Church is not audited by independent auditors. It is audited by internal Church employees. And internal audit is very different than an audit by independent CPAs from a CPA Firm. What the Church does is nothing like what an outside independent audit firm would do.