Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks

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Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks

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Carton wrote:Somehow I don't think they thought the whole thing through very well, though.


I do. I think we are witnessing the full extent of their respective abilities to think things through.
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Chap wrote:
Most of the political problems of modern Africa are connected with the fact that 19th century European powers sliced up Africa into large and fairly arbitrary colonial chunks that brought together peoples who often had nothing in common culturally, historically, or even linguistically. Nigeria is a pretty good example.

Then, under the pressure of anti-colonialist movements in the second half of the 20th century, they abandoned these pseudo-countries to the rule of tiny and immature political classes that soon morphed into dictatorships, exploitative oligarchies, or in some cases pure chaos. Outside powers were of course ready to sell arms to such regimes, buy diamonds mined by effective slaves, and prop up their favorite dictators until they became inconvenient.

Thank you for the clarification Chap. I was speaking in very general terms, and your summary is much more elegant than I could have typed in such a short amount of time.
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Simon is the master of playing dumb, I'll give him that.
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Carton wrote:But then Peterson proceeds to fill out his post by telling an anecdote concerning something said by Uncle Tom Sowell. Why this anecdote? Well, because Schryver's opening post on his blog is in a similar vein: slavery was actually God's will and it should be viewed as a blessing to those lucky Africans who made the trip across the Atlantic in those fancy cruise ships in order to fulfill the will of the Almighty for them to become more like his chosen people (white people, of course) by picking a lifetime worth of pure, delightsome cotton.

I'm speechless. Describing slavery as a "blessing" or "inspired" makes my stomach turn. This is way over the top, even for Dan and Will. What were they thinking?!
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Darth J wrote:Because it is on Schryver's blog, to which the OP has an imbedded link. But you obviously did not read the blog you are defending, or you would know that.


So anything you quote which you do not properly cite can be attributed to anyone you wish, even if they didn't say or write it?

Amazing, Darth J, simply amazing.
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Simon Belmont, since you just reflexively rush to defend the patrons of your rent boy services without even bothering to see what they wrote on their blogs, here's how I know Schryver quoted that statement approvingly:

http://imetatron.blogspot.com/

Carl M. Franklin, PhD, my new friend from New Orleans, listened patiently to the patronizing arguments of his Yellow Dog Democrat friends, then breathed a sigh and commenced to deliver one of the most impressive and impassioned speeches I have heard in my entire life. His words were eloquent, articulate, and profoundly earnest. I recount them to the best of my recollection:

"My grandfather was born a slave. His fathers, going back five generations, had been slaves, brought to America from Africa in the late 18th century. My grandfather moved to the north after the Civil War and struggled to make a living. My father struggled, too. He left my mother and his children when I was very young, and I never saw him again. My mother struggled to raise us, but she never let us feel sorry for ourselves. She insisted that we go to church. She insisted that we go to school. I was the first in my family to go to college. I worked multiple jobs all through college until I achieved my doctorate. It wasn't easy. I was subjected to lots of prejudice. When I was in college, there were many students and professors who, quite sincerely, did not believe blacks could even do basic mathematics, let alone electrical engineering. But I stuck with it, and notwithstanding the discrimination I encountered from time to time, I overcame all the obstacles in my path and eventually got to where I am today, in an America that has, to a great extent, moved past the racism I faced when I was younger. Now I am an old man. I have lived a rewarding and satisfying life. I have enjoyed the love of a great woman for almost fifty years. Our children are educated and prosperous."

And then his voice softened in volume and intensified in tone as he looked straight at his "Yellow Dog Democrat" acquaintances who were, moments before, advocating that he be rewarded for the suffering of his ancestors in slavery.

"I thank God Almighty that he saw fit to snatch my forefathers from the darkness of their lives in Africa and plant them here in this land where, after not many generations, the majority of them are finally breaking free from the bondage of ignorance and dependence. Yes, slavery is inherently evil. Many suffered, not the least the slave traders and slave owners stained by its shame. But there was a divine purpose in these things, and I refuse to mock God by failing to see His hand in all things. And, most of all, I refuse to see my children returned to the slavery of dependence on those who condescendingly view themselves as our superiors."

The Yellow Dog Democrats sat silently as Dr. Franklin concluded his impressive oration, then summarily finished their drinks and excused themselves from our company.

I stood and extended my hand to Dr. Franklin, who then stood himself and embraced me warmly.

"You are a great man Dr. Franklin, and I count myself fortunate to have made your acquaintance."

"And I yours."

He reached into his pocket, retrieved his card, and pressed it into my palm with his warm, soft hand.

"Carl M. Franklin – Sophisticated Music for All Occasions."

It is now in a frame hanging on my wall. This is the story behind it.

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Rollo Tomasi wrote:I'm speechless. Describing slavery as a "blessing" or "inspired" makes my stomach turn. This is way over the top, even for Dan and Will. What were they thinking?!


Well, if you'd bother to actually read what was written you'd discover that this whole thread is one big lying smear-piece on Schryver and Peterson. They didn't say it. It was a quote by am electrical engineer/piano player in New Orleans.
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Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks

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Ya gotta dig the cool double-shades thing DCP has going on in this photo:

Daniel C. Peterson, Slavery Apologist

And is it just me, or does Schryver's wife have a pained look hiding behind her strained smile?

Poor Sister Schryver

You've got to feel just a little bit sorry for the poor woman.
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I thank God Almighty that he saw fit to snatch my forefathers from the darkness of their lives in Nauvoo and plant them here in this land where, after not many generations, the majority of them are finally breaking free from the bondage of ignorance and dependence. Yes, Mormonism is inherently evil. Many suffered, not the least the bureaucracy and paid gerontocracy stained by its shame. But there was a divine purpose in these things, and I refuse to mock God by failing to see His hand in all things. And, most of all, I refuse to see my children returned to the slavery of Mormonism on those who condescendingly view themselves as our superiors.
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static wrote:
Rollo Tomasi wrote:I'm speechless. Describing slavery as a "blessing" or "inspired" makes my stomach turn. This is way over the top, even for Dan and Will. What were they thinking?!


Well, if you'd bother to actually read what was written you'd discover that this whole thread is one big lying smear-piece on Schryver and Peterson. They didn't say it. It was a quote by am electrical engineer/piano player in New Orleans.


Indeed. It is absolutely obvious that Schryver in no way condones the distasteful Uncle-Tom "Thanks for slavery, Lord!" sentiments that he writes into his blog. His distaste is blindingly obvious:

The Yellow Dog Democrats sat silently as Dr. Franklin concluded his impressive oration, then summarily finished their drinks and excused themselves from our company.

I stood and extended my hand to Dr. Franklin, who then stood himself and embraced me warmly.

"You are a great man Dr. Franklin, and I count myself fortunate to have made your acquaintance."
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