A thunderingly obtuse question...

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Alfredo wrote:You don't decide that. Do I really need to repeat myself?


No, I am done, our mutual noncommunication is perfect with out any adulterations of mutual understanding.
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huckelberry wrote: No, I am done, our mutual noncommunication is perfect with out any adulterations of mutual understanding.

I don't get it. What exactly am I misunderstanding?
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Why did everyone give up so quickly...
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I think that Lyman Wight stole the show.
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You are not responsible to make the initial choice. God is responsible to set before you life unto life or death unto death. His enticements you can follow or resist. But it is the purpose of God to draw you in.

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Nightlion wrote:You are not responsible to make the initial choice. God is responsible to set before you life unto life or death unto death. His enticements you can follow or resist. But it is the purpose of God to draw you in.


...does it require faith to believe this?
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Alfredo wrote:
Nightlion wrote:You are not responsible to make the initial choice. God is responsible to set before you life unto life or death unto death. His enticements you can follow or resist. But it is the purpose of God to draw you in.


...does it require faith to believe this?


What has belief got to do with it. Either you notice or you don't. You do not even have to understand what is happening if you list to follow the promptings and see where it goes.
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Obviously, Lyman Wight was very concerned about the changes in Mormonism at the point when he made that statement. However, he was afraid that if he were to directly confront the people in Nauvoo, he might get killed. What to do? What to do? Snitch, then run away to Texas?
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Nightlion wrote:What has belief got to do with it.

What has belief got to do with the idea that God sets before you enticements?

You don't consider this a belief which requires faith? Or even a belief at all?

Well, first of all, whether it's the sort of God you think it is and not something else is a belief.

Do you mean to suggest that you can establish that it's a specific God working in a particular way and not something else, without faith?
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Alfredo wrote:And here's the question...

Considering which is ruler of the universe, if you had the choice to put your first act of faith in God or the Devil, how could you choose between them?

In choosing between the God or the Devil as ruler of the universe, you're choosing between two possible worlds. A world in which it's possible God saves souls and another in which no God exists and the Devil deceives every soul.

Your logic is flawed. In the scenario where no God exists and the Devil deceives every soul, the Devil would then be God. The question is asking would you choose a metaphor for evil vs. good.
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