D. Michael Quinn working on new book about LDS Inc business!

[_why me]

We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith, “Times and Seasons,” March 15, 1842

http://Mormon.org/humanitarian-aid/

How many Mormon hospitals are there? orphanages?

Lets see....LDSInc. got rid of their hospitals in 1974/75. How humanitarian of them.

Orphanages......0.

Soup kitchens.....0

Homeless shelters...0 Although in 2010 they made a donation to a homeless shelter in Provo. Keep in mind, this is now 2012. Doesn't appear to be any more.

The LDS church believes in putting people to work. Free handouts are not the answer. A soup kitchens takes care for one meal a day. But give that person a job, give that person an income, no need for a soup kitchen. And the LDS church has a great adoption program in its LDS social services.

For a church of only 14 million (and how many active), the LDS church does a lot. Now give the LDS church millions and millions and millions of members and see the miracles that will happen.

[_hobo1512]

The LDS church believes in putting people to work. Free handouts are not the answer. A soup kitchens takes care for one meal a day. But give that person a job, give that person an income, no need for a soup kitchen. And the LDS church has a great adoption program in its LDS social services.

For a church of only 14 million (and how many active), the LDS church does a lot. Now give the LDS church millions and millions and millions of members and see the miracles that will happen.

Thought you already had 14 million. That is millions and millions and millions.

Having a "program" is merely raking in the fees to arrange an adoption. It isn't caring for those in an orphanage.

Let's put those people to work in a mall at minimum wage, unable to properly support their families, and still have to rely on public assistance. Way to go!! You should be so proud!!

So, as you can see, even if you give them a "job", they are still needing help like housing and food. i.e. shelters and food kitchens.

Let's not forget putting people to work....like the Utah Boys Ranch. Now there is a shining example.

The Salvation Army has a hell of alot fewer people than the Mormon church, and look at what they accomplish.

[_Darth J]

The LDS church believes in putting people to work. Free handouts are not the answer. A soup kitchens takes care for one meal a day. But give that person a job, give that person an income, no need for a soup kitchen.

The Church actually does create secular jobs, but it is mainly through Deseret Industries. You're being hopelessly obtuse about the ridiculous balance of costs and benefits in what City Creek cost (and costs to maintain) versus the handful of ongoing jobs created. And that's without addressing the Church's inability to apply its teachings to itself as to what City Creek is.

And the LDS church has a great adoption program in its LDS social services.

The Church has a ridiculous adoption program with LDS Family Services. It is only available to prospective adoptive parents who are members of the LDS Church who hold temple recommends. It is not anything like a standard charitable orphanage. You have to give 10% of your income to LDS Family Services as the fee for getting placed on a waiting list. In other words, double tithing.

https://www.itsaboutlove.org/ial/ct/eng ... -services/

Fees range from $4,000 to $10,000 based on 10 percent of the couple’s combined gross annual income as reported on a couple's previous year’s tax return.

What do you get for giving an additional 10% of your income to a non-profit agency owned by the Church? A lottery ticket, essentially.

https://www.itsaboutlove.org/ial/ct/eng ... stions/#q1

Adoption times vary for every couple and every situation because birth parents normally select the adoptive parents. It can be as quick as one week or it can take a year, three years, five years, and so on. Every adoption is different.

And there is no guarantee that you will ever be selected by a biological parent. Rather than paying the fee when you are selected to adopt, you pay the fee up front, so LDS Family Services gets a windfall and you get 10% less money that year if the odds play out, and the odds greatly favor the house. There are a lot more tragically desperate LDS couples who would like a baby than there are mothers wanting to give the baby away specifically to an active LDS couple.

Notice I said nothing about fathers. That's because unwed fathers have the least favorable playing field in the country when a mother wants to give up a baby for adoption. And Utah, it turns out, is a strangely popular place for out-of-state LDS parents to send their pregnant teenage daughters to give birth without telling the father where they are going. Go figure, huh?

[_Chap]

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The Church has a ridiculous adoption program with LDS Family Services. It is only available to prospective adoptive parents who are members of the LDS Church who hold temple recommends. It is not anything like a standard charitable orphanage. You have to give 10% of your income to LDS Family Services as the fee for getting placed on a waiting list. In other words, double tithing.
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You mean ... you are already paying a full tithing to be eligible to register with this service.

Then you have to pay another tithing just to go on a list, even if you never actually get to adopt a child?

Sweet!

[_The Mighty Builder]

"And the LDS church has a great adoption program in its LDS social services."

Yeah, like the Mountain Meadows Massacre adoption program where every child over the age of 8 was killed and the remaining were "adopted" into "loving and caring families" who took pity on the poor little darlings who relatives were MURDERED!

"The Church has a ridiculous adoption program with LDS Family Services. It is only available to prospective adoptive parents who are members of the LDS Church who hold temple recommends. It is not anything like a standard charitable orphanage. You have to give 10% of your income to LDS Family Services as the fee for getting placed on a waiting list. In other words, double tithing."

At least its not ALL THAT YOU HAVE like the Thatcher party had to pay. Oops they were the donating families.

[Guest]

I love that this is in why me's sig.

We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith

Therefore, spend more money on a mall in one prosperous town in the United States in half a decade than you have on humanitarian aid over the past three decades instead of aiding in building infrastructure and offering relief from starvation in 3rd world countries. This is a frightening level of delusion.

[_hobo1512]

The LDS church believes in putting people to work. Free handouts are not the answer. A soup kitchens takes care for one meal a day. But give that person a job, give that person an income, no need for a soup kitchen.

The Church actually does create secular jobs, but it is mainly through Deseret Industries. You're being hopelessly obtuse about the ridiculous balance of costs and benefits in what City Creek cost (and costs to maintain) versus the handful of ongoing jobs created. And that's without addressing the Church's inability to apply its teachings to itself as to what City Creek is.

And the LDS church has a great adoption program in its LDS social services.

The Church has a ridiculous adoption program with LDS Family Services. It is only available to prospective adoptive parents who are members of the LDS Church who hold temple recommends. It is not anything like a standard charitable orphanage. You have to give 10% of your income to LDS Family Services as the fee for getting placed on a waiting list. In other words, double tithing.

https://www.itsaboutlove.org/ial/ct/eng ... -services/

Fees range from $4,000 to $10,000 based on 10 percent of the couple’s combined gross annual income as reported on a couple's previous year’s tax return.

What do you get for giving an additional 10% of your income to a non-profit agency owned by the Church? A lottery ticket, essentially.

https://www.itsaboutlove.org/ial/ct/eng ... stions/#q1

Adoption times vary for every couple and every situation because birth parents normally select the adoptive parents. It can be as quick as one week or it can take a year, three years, five years, and so on. Every adoption is different.

And there is no guarantee that you will ever be selected by a biological parent. Rather than paying the fee when you are selected to adopt, you pay the fee up front, so LDS Family Services gets a windfall and you get 10% less money that year if the odds play out, and the odds greatly favor the house. There are a lot more tragically desperate LDS couples who would like a baby than there are mothers wanting to give the baby away specifically to an active LDS couple.

Notice I said nothing about fathers. That's because unwed fathers have the least favorable playing field in the country when a mother wants to give up a baby for adoption. And Utah, it turns out, is a strangely popular place for out-of-state LDS parents to send their pregnant teenage daughters to give birth without telling the father where they are going. Go figure, huh?

I'm thinking whine me won't answer back.

He is probably on the way to the doctor because he shot himself in the foot with this one.......LMFAO!!!

[_Darth J]

It takes a special kind of obliviousness to put both of these statements in the same post:

We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith, “Times and Seasons,” March 15, 1842

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Free handouts are not the answer. A soup kitchens takes care for one meal a day. But give that person a job, give that person an income, no need for a soup kitchen.

[_Racer]

We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith, “Times and Seasons,” March 15, 1842

http://Mormon.org/humanitarian-aid/

Joseph Smith said it is all about feeding the hungry and clothing the naked. Our bad for piling on the the church for spending more money on private business ventures instead of feeding the poor. Since Joseph Smith said otherwise, it must be true. Joseph Smith always told the truth like right here:

"What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjerurs"-Joseph Smith (History of The Church 6:410-411)

Oh wait... Joseph Smith was married to numerous women when he made this statement...

[_Racer]

The LDS church believes in putting people to work. Free handouts are not the answer. A soup kitchens takes care for one meal a day. But give that person a job, give that person an income, no need for a soup kitchen. And the LDS church has a great adoption program in its LDS social services.

For a church of only 14 million (and how many active), the LDS church does a lot. Now give the LDS church millions and millions and millions of members and see the miracles that will happen.

I agree free handouts are not the answer, but building a mall full of minimum wage jobs is not exactly putting people to work in the most effective way. The church has the money to go into an impoverished village and teach and train those people proper hygene, agriculture, and educational elements to help the people be self sufficient. They also have the money to invest in the infastructure and provide modern technology and clean water. Also look at the successful micro-loan program that has been proven to work in India which allows impoverished people to start successful small businesses. The church could make a difference but they don't. Instead they do exactly what you disagree with, free handouts. The church comes in and carpet bombs the area with blankets, clothes, and hygene kits all donated by the members. Then they toss around a few 50 lbs bags of rice instead showing these people how to grow their own food. Any labor or disaster clean up is also on the members time and done at no cost to the church. How about the Perpetual Ed. Program? Sounds great right? LDS inc. doesn't fund a dime. They ask the members to fund it with their donations. If anything, give the members credit for the charitable donations and not LDS Inc and it's "inspired" leadership. I say give the members credit for doing stuff that can be done without the LDS church.

On the other hand, its good to know the church built a big mall that can provide my son a minimum wage job when he turns 16 in few years. Because you know, those minimum wage jobs are just what this ecomony needs, I am sure if you are unemployed with a mortgage, student loan, 2 kids and a wife to feed, the weekend shift at Footlocker will save the day. Thanks LDS church for your foresight!