Caffeine Officially not against Word of Wisdom

[_3sheets2thewind]

Why didn't "Mormon Voices" step in to save they day?
Isn't righting journalistic wrongs their role?

A midnight last night mormonvoices sent put a call to arms with about 20. Links

[_cafe crema]

The Holy Ghost will whisper to you that it is caffeine that should be avoided.

CSA knows more than the LDS church leadership, silly apostles should be listening to him.

[_Equality]

The "rumor mill" and "traditions" have NEVER been Church Doctrine or Teachings.
That's a key principle that ESPECIALLY you anti-mormons need to remember. Of course, to be fair some Mormons need to pay more attention also. But, that's life. Hate doesn't motivate their honest mistakes.

Too bad Hinckley didn't have you around to straighten him out on the whole caffeine ban being only a "tradition" or something he heard from the "rumor mill." Who knew that the Prophet speaking on national television proclaiming that the Word of Wisdom proscribes the use of caffeine was not a church teaching but just something the Hinckster had picked up in his ward's rumor mill.

[_Sethbag]

I'd say I have 20 years on you. When I was growing up, there was no question that Coke and Pepsi were taboo. I remember my mother bringing home a bottle of Coke for some reason. I had a tiny sip before she grabbed it away.

Ah, the pleasures of forbidden fruit!

by the way, before I heard the GA quotes that convinced me that Coke and Pepsi weren't necessarily against the WoW (in my teens), as a child I recall a couple of very long cross-country car trips with the family, and a couple times my dad was driving really late hours, and stopped and bought a Pepsi or some other such caffeine-bearing soft drink. My parents felt like they needed to explain (think about that for a second, adults explaining to a child why it's OK that daddy just bought a Pepsi) that my dad really needed to stay awake because he was driving. It almost turned his drinking that Pepsi into a solemn occasion.

When I was even younger, around 6 or 7 years old, my family was at a steak house and I took my glass over to the soda fountain for a refill, and I remember clearly getting Mr. Pibb and telling my parents it was root beer. I felt like I'd pulled something over on them, and had this impish little crap-eating grin on my face. Yeah, stick it to da man! Thank God I got baptized a year or two later and wiped this blot from my soul...

[_Polygamy-Porter]

12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

Is that the charred flesh of beasts and of the fowls of the air that I smell on hot summer evenings in Utah? Must be the jack/never Mormons!

The WoW is not about health. It is about obedience.

If they required that Mormons wear underwear on their heads to get an all day pass to the Mormon Masonic Fun House, guess what you home teacher would look like???

[_Philidel]

Cute picture. We can put down in the briefs column, I suppose?

[_ldsfaqs]

Actually the original teaching was to avoid 'strong drink' but mild barley drinks were okay. Nothing about alcohol.

Nope.... "Strong Drink" was always in referrence to Alcohol.

And "Mild Barley Drinks" were in reference to just that, barley and other types of "GRAIN" drinks people would make at home that generally were not alcoholic, but could sometimes be depending on how you made them, usually however only "slightly" alcoholic.

I've researched this issue and all anti-mormon and liberal claimed issues. I'm telling the whole and actual fact.

It was also okay to use wine for the Sacrament. So that's another change.

Only because it was tradition and it was the simple statement of scripture.
But in order to comply with Modern Revelation, the policy was yes changed for a reason.

Hot drinks were hot drinks. Now hot drinks are just tea and coffee but were not sure about green tea or decaffeinated. Other hot drinks are now fine.

No..... Hot Drinks specifically and always referred to Tea (from the Tea Leaf) and Coffee.
It NEVER referred to Hot Chocolate etc.

Green Tea is made from the Tea Leaf, hence why it's always been not drank, such as in Japan.
Other kinds of Teas are not banned, because they were not the banned Tea, and also because most don't have any or much Caffeine.

Even Hinckley was confused on the subject.

President Hinckley was only "slightly" confused, because ONE of the reasons Tea and Coffee was always the banned substances was BECAUSE of the high concentrations of Caffeine in them.

While "caffeine" specifically isn't a banned substance by the Word of Wisdom, it is the MAJOR part of the reason for the ban. His further confusion was simply the fact that in his box, the traditional LDS world, caffeinated drinks etc. are avoided. Thus, it was a natural mistake.

One can say lots of things about the word of wisdom doctrine, but the one thing you can't say is that it hasn't changed.

The only thing that has changed with it is it was changed from a Recommendation to a Standard, a Commandment to be followed.

[_ldsfaqs]

12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

Proper interpretation and understanding of BASIC English, especially older English is important.

1. The first verse specifically makes clear that meat is to be eaten, but sparingly, just as other Biblical and D&C verses also state.

2. Verse 13 is not saying that meat is to ONLY be eaten during, winter & famine.... The addition of the word "NOT" is reversing the meaning. In other words, it's stating that it's OKAY to eat meat at other times, not only during winter and famine.
We know this for several reasons....

a. Meat back then was most often eaten during famine and winter, because they would not have as much access to fruits and vegetables during those times, and they stored meat specifically so they could survive during those times.

b. If you read the Word of Wisdom carefully, you would notice that there is ANOTHER VERSE WHICH SAYS THE EXACT SAME THING but "without" the word "not". What do you think that means??? It means, that the addition of the word not is reversed meaning, and it means that if they wanted to simply say you could only eat meat during those times, they would have just written it that way.

c. Church teaching has ALWAYS been plain in this issue. We are to eat meat sparingly according to our own interpretation, and also whenever we want.

The WoW is not about health. It is about obedience.

Wrong.... It's about Health in body, mind, & spirit. It's about striving to take care of our Temples, that house our spirits as much as possible. And yes, obedience is an important aspect to achieving those things. I've lived all over the place..... And those who follow the Word of Wisdom are much better off than those who don't.

Anyway, learn English..... I've found that many anti-mormon and liberal interpretations of things are due to you not actually paying attention to what you read. You SKIM.... and then think you understand.

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Proper interpretation and understanding of BASIC English, especially older English is important.

Up to now, I thought Mormonism is a worldwide thing.
Thank You for the information, it is only for English speakers, especially older ones.

1. The first verse specifically makes clear that meat is to be eaten, but sparingly, just as other Biblical and D&C verses also state.

Sparingly?

American Heritage Dictionary: spar·ing
Home > Library > Literature & Language > Dictionary (spâr'ĭng)
adj.
Given to or marked by prudence and restraint in the use of material resources.
Deficient or limited in quantity, fullness, or extent.
Forbearing; lenient.

Limited??? Marked by prudence???
How many? (It may be how much, I never understand the difference...)
Is two hair too much or too less?
Two hair on Your head?
Two hair in Your soup?

Anyway, learn English..... I've found that many anti-mormon and liberal interpretations of things are due to you not actually paying attention to what you read. You SKIM.... and then think you understand.

I think I know English.
I may err in this belief.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

The WoW is not about health. It is about obedience.

Wrong.... It's about Health in body, mind, & spirit. It's about striving to take care of our Temples, that house our spirits as much as possible. And yes, obedience is an important aspect to achieving those things. I've lived all over the place..... And those who follow the Word of Wisdom are much better off than those who don't.

Orly?

Such a broad yet narrow minded brush that you paint with.

I drink 3-5 cups of HOT coffee per day. I drink hard liquor at least once per week. I enjoy wine several times each week. Beer not so much, like Willy Wonka said, candy is dandy but liquor is quicker.

I enjoy a good buzz from alcohol now and then.

Are you in better shape than me? I'd wager a bet you are not.

Too bad God was asleep at the wheel when he tossed the WoW down to old Joe. Carbs, and refined sugar should have been added to that so called revelation.