DCP's Stock goes Down again

[_Kevin Graham]

Cinepro's argument that Romney must be in touch with America's poor, simply because he was a Bishop, is just ridiculous. I've known some truly prickish Bishops who were complete tight wads when it came to using the storehouse to help struggling members. Many of these Righ Wing Ayn Rand nitwits drag their political ideology with them when they become Bishops.

One incident on my mission bothered me when a woman with three adopted kids just watched her husband leave her for the neighbor's wife. She was stuck with all the bills, had paid tithes faithfully for a decade, and the Bishop was being stingy about how much the Church was willing to help her. He was more interested in telling her she needed to respect the priesthood, be more humble and do more work on her part before she would take part in the blessings he was able to provide her. She damn near left the Church over that issue.

So this notion that Bishops are automatically sympathetic towards the poor is bogus. Many of these people are called based on their financial security alone, and nothing to do with their charity towards the poor.

[_Kevin Graham]

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And this is something the Romney defenders don't get. The fact that he doesn't even know who the 47% are, is alarming in and of itself. But he jumps the gun to attack them the same way he jumped the gun to attack Obama for apologizing for American values. He is many things, but Presidential he is not.

[_Kishkumen]

While I am inclined to agree that some bishops out there are perhaps less generous that they might be, I also believe that there are those people who have a genuine concern about the possibility of overdoing it in generosity to the point that the system--be it the LDS Church or the US government--breaks and everyone goes down the toilet together.

Now, I don't see the any real threat of that happening to the Church, but the federal government? Most definitely.

I think Romney deserves credit for some generous giving. It does not mean that I will vote for the guy, but I sincerely doubt that he lacks any trace of compassion. He has simply done too much for others for that charge to get any traction.

[_sock puppet]

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And this is something the Romney defenders don't get. The fact that he doesn't even know who the 47% are, is alarming in and of itself. But he jumps the gun to attack them the same way he jumped the gun to attack Obama for apologizing for American values. He is many things, but Presidential he is not.

There are many things wrong with Romney.

[_Jaybear]

While I am inclined to agree that some bishops out there are perhaps less generous that they might be, I also believe that there are those people who have a genuine concern about the possibility of overdoing it in generosity to the point that the system--be it the LDS Church or the US government--breaks and everyone goes down the toilet together.

Now, I don't see the any real threat of that happening to the Church, but the federal government? Most definitely.

I think Romney deserves credit for some generous giving. It does not mean that I will vote for the guy, but I sincerely doubt that he lacks any trace of compassion. He has simply done too much for others for that charge to get any traction.

What has Romney done for people who were poor, and nonLDS? Seriously what? (not a rhetorical question.)

As for generosity, that is relative term. Someone crunched the numbers and found that if Romney continued to donate at the pace he did last year, his net worth would grow from $250M to $360M in the next ten years.

Also don't forget, Romney donated $45M to his 2008 election campaign. He is running for office for Pete's sake, of course his disclosed tax returns will show a charitable side.

[_Kishkumen]

I am not trying to make Mitt Romney out to be Mother Theresa, for Pete's sake.

All I am saying here is that the guy deserves some credit for services performed for his fellow beings, whether in the LDS Church or outside it.

He is no Monty Burns or Mr. Scrooge.

[_Chap]

I am not trying to make Mitt Romney out to be Mother Theresa, for Pete's sake.

All I am saying here is that the guy deserves some credit for services performed for his fellow beings, whether in the LDS Church or outside it.

He is no Monty Burns or Mr. Scrooge.

Yeah, no doubt in his functions as an LDS bishop Romney may have helped quite a few people who came to him asking for aid. Also, I think he probably doesn't eat babies.

BUT - his public speech since he has been running for President suggests strongly that he simply does not have the self-awareness, caution in public utterance, and broad understanding of how many Americans live to be a safe holder of the highest office in the state.

No doubt he will be welcome back in the bishopric, where he is said to have done so well.

[_Kishkumen]

BUT - his public speech since he has been running for President suggests strongly that he simply does not have the self-awareness, caution in public utterance, and broad understanding of how many Americans live to be a safe holder of the highest office in the state.

Oh, I agree with you there. The guy is a total train wreck when it comes to his public pronouncements on various issues.

[_Jaybear]

I am not trying to make Mitt Romney out to be Mother Theresa, for Pete's sake.

All I am saying here is that the guy deserves some credit for services performed for his fellow beings, whether in the LDS Church or outside it.

He is no Monty Burns or Mr. Scrooge.

You need to be more specific in telling me why I should I give him "some credit".

Romney accepted a calling, and served as a Mormon Bishop. Okay. Is that praiseworthy? Do most Mormons who are called to serve as bishop say no?

What evidence is there that he has given more than the least amount of money and time necessary to further his own personal, political and spiritual ambitions?

Seriously, not a rhetorical question. He may be a great guy for all I know. I just haven't seen any evidence. Does he tip his waitresses 25%? Does he refuse to eat foie gras on principle? If he sees trash on the side the road, does he pull over and pick it up?

[_Kishkumen]

You need to be more specific in telling me why I should I give him "some credit".

Romney accepted a calling, and served as a Mormon Bishop. Okay. Is that praiseworthy? Do most Mormons who are called to serve as bishop say no?

What evidence is there that he has given more than the least amount of money and time necessary to further his own personal, political and spiritual ambitions?

Seriously, not a rhetorical question. He may be a great guy for all I know. I just haven't seen any evidence. Does he tip his waitresses 25%? Does he refuse to eat foie gras on principle? If he sees trash on the side the road, does he pull over and pick it up?

I have encountered various stories of Romney's concern for other people. I am not sufficiently interested in persuading you to go into it all.

Furthermore, I do think it is a decent thing to do to accept the calling of bishop and faithfully fill it. I don't see why it should not count in Romney's favor that he has served others in this way.