Another Sad Day in Sunday School

[_Droopy]

Did not Christ tell us that we are to be "one" and there is to be no contention among us?

Funny you should choose to end with that line . . .

And you could engage and respond to the point being made.

[_consiglieri]

I was in a ward house in September to attend the funeral of my murdered brother this year. Was a beautiful service until the Bishop got up at the end and droned on about the Mormon heaven, eternal life, temples, plan of salvation and all that claptrap. And it just brought back those memories.

Best of luck as you stick it out.

I am so sorry to hear about your brother, Infymus. I have long been on record as finding it reprehensible to insist on talking about the plan of salvation during a funeral service. There is no occasion so sacred or grief-filled that the LDS Church won't use it as a missionary opportunity.

I was at a funeral service a few weeks back where the last speaker mentioned the bishop had told him he had to talk about the plan of salvation, but after that never quite got back around to it.

It seems he had too much to say about his father.

Imagine that.

All my best to you. It sounds like we may be fellow travelers.

--Consiglieri

[_Darth J]

Your real problem, Darth, is that you're knowledge of LDS doctrine is effectively zero (not all that uncommon among critics of the Church, by the way). That's a heavy burden to struggle under, hating, despising, and attacking a system of religion on a continual and consistent, and yes, obsessive basis, without any substantive background in the system of religion attacked.

Knowledge = credibility.

See Kish, he'll let you in on the secret.

Pick a topic you would like to discuss, Brother Blood!

Pick any topic of LDS doctrine and quiz me on it!

Then when I answer, you can tell me how I am so loathsome of a person that I should be compared to a black person!

[_consiglieri]

And you could engage and respond to the point being made.

Even when you make my point for me?

[_Droopy]

Pick a topic you would like to discuss, Brother Blood!

Pick any topic of LDS doctrine and quiz me on it!

You can use Google as well as any other Morlock. In any case, Barf, after your performance on the subject of the Asian martial arts, it became quite clear that the best thing to do is not to quiz you on anything, but just sit back and let you talk of your own accord.

That's all that's required.

Then when I answer, you can tell me how I am so loathsome of a person that I should be compared to a black person!

Huh? When have I ever, anywhere, said anything negative about black people?

[_Darth J]

Pick a topic you would like to discuss, Brother Blood!

Pick any topic of LDS doctrine and quiz me on it!

You can use Google as well as any other Morlock. In any case, Barf, after your performance on the subject of the Asian martial arts, it became quite clear that the best thing to do is not to quiz you on anything, but just sit back and let you talk of your own accord.

That's all that's required.

You mean that thread when you insisted that Trulkor isn't really a martial art from Tibet, then found out that it was, then insisted Tang So Doo came from Okinawa, then found out it is from South Korea, then insisted that Tang So Doo does not share its katas with Okinawan styles, then found out that it does?

That thread where you continuously said I was making things up, then found proof that I was right, and continued to assert that I was making things up anyway?

Yes, I remember that.

So I take it you don't really want to test your assertion that I don't know anything about the LDS Church, but instead just want to keep going with your frothing street preacher shtick. Carry on, Brother Blood!

Then when I answer, you can tell me how I am so loathsome of a person that I should be compared to a black person!

Huh? When have I ever, anywhere, said anything negative about black people?

For those who may have missed this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24627

This was a good one, too:

All social pathologies within the black community that affect blacks at disproportionate, and in some cases vastly disproportionate rates, including a 70% out of wedlock birth rate, massive family breakdown, violence, drug use, gang involvement, and general over-representative criminality; disproportionate welfare dependence and unemployment, precipitous high school drop out rates etc., are understood to be the direct or indirect result of systemic, institutional racism, and not sociocultural dynamics internal to certain segments of the black community itself. http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... =1&t=25279

It's unfortunate that the people of that lineage didn't make better choices up in the pre-mortal existence.

[_Droopy]

You mean that thread when you insisted that Trulkor isn't really a martial art from Tibet, then found out that it was,

Yes, Barf. After you Googled it and then presented it as if you had any idea what you were talking about, I found out that this utterly obscure form did, indeed, exist. I also found out that its relation to Ninjitsu is purely speculative and the subject of a rather obscure controversy within a narrow range of the martial arts world.

then insisted Tang So Doo came from Okinawa, then found out it is from South Korea,

What I found out is that most evidence seems to point to Okinawa, (as I had found out when I was about 12) and that Okinawan, Chinese, and Japanese martial artists and martial arts historians have been debating among themselves for a long time over the actual origins, which are not precisely known.

then insisted that Tang So Doo does not share its katas with Okinawan styles, then found out that it does?

If both are essentially Okinawan in origin, then that would make sense. I'd have to go back and look at the original post, as I have no confidence that you will characterize honestly.

That thread where you continuously said I was making things up, then found proof that I was right, and continued to assert that I was making things up anyway?

What I found out, and definitively proved in that thread, is that your knowledge of the Asian martial arts is marginal, if not effectively nil and Googled-up just for the occasion, and in the case of the traditional Chinese martial arts, a laugh riot of gaffs and bumbling attempts to appear competent.

So I take it you don't really want to test your assertion that I don't know anything about the LDS Church, but instead just want to keep going with your frothing street preacher shtick. Carry on, Brother Blood!

I've never seen any indication that you could accurately state a basic LDS doctrine at all. But as most of your attempts to do so are nothing more than sarcastic, cartoonish distortions of the Church's beliefs, and even if you did have salient knowledge, it doesn't appear that you could ever be serious enough to state them properly. Its much more fun to be the class clown in the high school shop class.

Huh? When have I ever, anywhere, said anything negative about black people?

For those who may have missed this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24627

And? The question was, "When have I ever, anywhere, said anything negative about black people?" Put up or shut-up, Barf. You don't have any credibility now, but there's no reason to descend below zero.

This was a good one, too:

All social pathologies within the black community that affect blacks at disproportionate, and in some cases vastly disproportionate rates, including a 70% out of wedlock birth rate, massive family breakdown, violence, drug use, gang involvement, and general over-representative criminality; disproportionate welfare dependence and unemployment, precipitous high school drop out rates etc., are understood to be the direct or indirect result of systemic, institutional racism, and not sociocultural dynamics internal to certain segments of the black community itself. http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... =1&t=25279

All easily available, well known, well established, thoroughly documented empirical facts.

Your problem with facts, Barf, is very interesting. Very interesting indeed (oh, by the way, the description here appears to have been in the context of an explication of classic leftist/critical race theory/multiculturalist theory on the origins and persistence of these disproportionate social pathologies among a certain segment of the American black population. The Left has long admitted such disproportions exist, but their explanations of why they persist are radically different than those of conservatism, or of any non-leftist, non-ideological perspective. Indeed, Joanna Brooks, who was the theme of the OP, is quoted by me as saying "“African-American women, according to statistics released yesterday from the Center for American Progress, have an unemployment rate of 13.3%, nearly double that of white women." So the disproportionate problems exist, but the conservative/libertarian explanation - culture - is utterly at variance with the classic leftist explanation - pervasive and virulent structural racism and a ideological concept known as "white privilege" or 'white skin privilege.").

[_Darth J]

You mean that thread when you insisted that Trulkor isn't really a martial art from Tibet, then found out that it was,

Yes, Barf. After you Googled it and then presented it as if you had any idea what you were talking about, I found out that this utterly obscure form did, indeed exist.

I'm sorry, Brother Blood, but that is exactly the opposite of what happened. You Googled it, after insisting for several pages that it did not exist:

Though in this one case, I admit, in some 40 years of studying the Asian martial arts, I had never heard of "Trulkor," after doing a bit of research, it actually appears that while the art exists, its origins are shrouded in mystery, and its connection to Ninjistu appears purely speculative in nature, with arguments, primarily grounded in legend and oral tradition, as the only links.

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums ... hp?t=33985

the only links a Google search brings up are to an esoteric branch of "tantric" Yoga.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25129&p=620395&hilit=trulkor#p620395

Why are you so compelled to lie, Brother Blood? Is it that innate cultural predilection to lie for the Lord, or is it your immersing yourself in a fantasy world based on Joseph Smith's frontier tall tales?

then insisted Tang So Doo came from Okinawa, then found out it is from South Korea,

What I found out is that most evidence seems to point to Okinawa, (as I had found out when I was about 12) and that Okinawan, Chinese, and Japanese martial artists and martial arts historians have been debating among themselves for a long time over the actual origins, which are not precisely known.

Or is it maybe that neurotic Mormon need to be right about everything, objective fact be damned?

http://www.wtsda.com/newsite/about.php

WHAT IS TANG SOO DO?

The very first evidence of this ancient form of Korean martial arts appeared during the Three Kingdom era (57 BC-935 AD) as Hwa Rang Do. Since then, 2,000 years have passed. The indigenous martial arts quietly developed through generations of the Korean people.

then insisted that Tang So Doo does not share its katas with Okinawan styles, then found out that it does?

If both are essentially Okinawan in origin, then that would make sense. I'd have to go back and look at the original post, as I have no confidence that you will characterize honestly.

I'm starting to think it's probably a combination of living in Joseph Smith's magic fantasy world, the cultural predilection to lie for the Lord, and that neurotic Mormon obsession about being right about everything despite objective fact. From that thread:

My question was about why Shotokan, Tang Soo Do, and Tae Kwon Do would all have the exact same katas when their actual fighting techniques are very different from each other. Shotokan is almost all punches. In Olympic Tae Kwon Do, punches to the face are not allowed at all. This indicates that the "everything comes from Shaolin" just-so story that McDojo's tell their mediocre students is wrong.

These systems do not have the exact same katas you sub-nuclear moron! They have similar movements and techniques, and similar sections to their katas, at least in the basic to intermediary stages, but exactly similar kata? viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25060&p=618254&hilit=katas#p618254

http://www.tangsookarateacademy.com/history.html

Hwang Kee had his first exposure to the Japanese style Karate Do (called Tang Soo Do in Korean) forms in 1939, when he found Japanese texts on Okinawa Karate while studying in the library of the Cho Sun Railway Bureau. Hwang Kee eventually added the forms that he had studied from these textbooks into his particular version of Tang Soo Do, and refined them encountered other Koreans who had studied Karate in Japan.

That thread where you continuously said I was making things up, then found proof that I was right, and continued to assert that I was making things up anyway?

What I found out, and definitively proved in that thread, is that your knowledge of the Asian martial arts is marginal, if not effectively nil and Googled-up just for the occasion, and in the case of the traditional Chinese martial arts, a laugh riot of gaffs and bumbling attempts to appear competent.

However, this assertion should be evaluated in light of your demonstrable imperviousness to fact.

So I take it you don't really want to test your assertion that I don't know anything about the LDS Church, but instead just want to keep going with your frothing street preacher shtick. Carry on, Brother Blood!

I've never seen any indication that you could accurately state a basic LDS doctrine at all. But as most of your attempts to do so are nothing more than sarcastic, cartoonish distortions of the Church's beliefs, even if you did have salient knowledge, it doesn't appear that you could ever be serious enough to state them properly. Its much more fun to be the class clown in the high school shop class.

So in response to whether you really want to challenge me, your answer is no qua no.

Huh? When have I ever, anywhere, said anything negative about black people?

For those who may have missed this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24627

And? The question was, "When have I ever, anywhere, said anything negative about black people?" Put up or shut-up, Barf. You don't have any credibility now, but there's no reason to descend below zero.

Perhaps I would have more credibility if I reflexively parroted religious and political talking points that I assume without inquiry to be axiomatic, and do so in endless run-on sentences full of mixed metaphors and pointless dependent clauses, so as to adopt an affectation of what I think an educated person might sound like.

This was a good one, too:

All social pathologies within the black community that affect blacks at disproportionate, and in some cases vastly disproportionate rates, including a 70% out of wedlock birth rate, massive family breakdown, violence, drug use, gang involvement, and general over-representative criminality; disproportionate welfare dependence and unemployment, precipitous high school drop out rates etc., are understood to be the direct or indirect result of systemic, institutional racism, and not sociocultural dynamics internal to certain segments of the black community itself. http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... =1&t=25279

All easily available, well known, well established, thoroughly documented empirical facts.

Your problem with facts, Barf, is very interesting. Very interesting indeed (oh, by the way, the description here appears to have been in the context of an explication of classic leftist/critical race theory/multiculturalist theory on the origins and persistence of these disproportionate social pathologies among a certain segment of the American black population. The Left has long admitted such disproportions exist, but their explanations of why they persist are radically different than those of conservatism, or of any non-leftist, non-ideological perspective. Indeed, Joanna Brooks, who was the theme of the OP, is quoted by me as saying "“African-American women, according to statistics released yesterday from the Center for American Progress, have an unemployment rate of 13.3%, nearly double that of white women." So the disproportionate problems exist, but the conservative/libertarian explanation - culture - is utterly at variance with the classic leftist explanation - pervasive and virulent structural racism and a ideological concept known as "white privilege" or 'white skin privilege.").

The Bretheren have certainly never wanted for empirical evidence for the inferiority of black people when it was acceptable for them to say so, eh, Brother Blood?

Now, some people wishing to dissociate themselves from racism might not double down on claiming that statistics bear out their prejudices, but I can see that's not for everyone.

Just to be clear, though: even though it was LeGrand Richards who invited the world to infer that favorable statistics in Utah should be attributed to its LDS population, we should not make any adverse inferences about Latter-day Saints about pornography, depression, bankruptcy, or obesity based on statistical evidence. Right?