"Mormon Interpreter" Resurrects Tvedtnes

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liz3564 wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:Mormon Interpreter really is the gift that keeps on giving. It occurs to me that there was a bit of a trade-off in opting for the "not-for-profit" status. Yes, they can now solicit tax-deductible donations, but we'll get to see exactly how much the Members of the Board are compensating themselves for things like "editing" a long-lost article that was written ages ago by John Tvedtnes. Based on the past financial documents, it appears that they think this sort of work is worth something like $5,000, just for the editing. And hey: I have to hand it to them. If they are able to earn money like this for that kind of work, then I think you have to concede that they are playing the market very wisely.

How do you suppose they are making money off of "Mormon Interpreter"?

Are they offering print versions you can subscribe to receive? Anyone can read the articles online. I am just curious.



Hmmmm, maybe because DCP has announced that it has tax exempt status and people can start sending him money using the handy "donation" button on the front page?

http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/donations/
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Lulu wrote:Hmmmm, maybe because DCP has announced that it has tax exempt status and people can start sending him money using the handy "donation" button on the front page?

http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/donations/



OK...Thanks for the link!
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Tom wrote:Peterson seems uninterested in the subject. Asked on his blog whether the piece is a reprint of a Meridian Magazine article, he replies: "Possibly so. I have no idea. But if I have no idea, others probably have no idea, either, which likely means that it doesn’t much matter . . ."

Quality control is slipping.

True. DCP, Editor Extraordinaire, wouldn't even then know if Tvedtnes' piece includes plagiarized passages.
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Tom wrote:Peterson seems uninterested in the subject. Asked on his blog whether the piece is a reprint of a Meridian Magazine article, he replies: "Possibly so. I have no idea. But if I have no idea, others probably have no idea, either, which likely means that it doesn’t much matter . . ."

Quality control is slipping.


It is really sad to see our old adversary reduced to this kind of ridiculous shuffling.

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John A. Tvedtnes wrote: In one, for example, he says that the Lord told him that all the churches were wrong, while in another he says that he had already come to this conclusion before going out in the woods to pray. I see no real contradiction between Joseph Smith believing, when he went to pray, that he should join none of the churches, and the Lord confirming that thought by revelation. After all, he went into the woods to get an answer. If his mind was already made up and he merely needed confirmation, this fits the pattern described in D&C 9:8, where the Lord said, “you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right.” The point of the official published version of Joseph Smith’s story is that he received a revelation on the issue. But even that version does not preclude the idea that he had already determined the answer and needed confirmation. http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/varian ... stle-paul/


Versus

Joseph Smith--History 1:18 wrote: My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
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Tom wrote:Peterson seems uninterested in the subject. Asked on his blog whether the piece is a reprint of a Meridian Magazine article, he replies: "Possibly so. I have no idea. But if I have no idea, others probably have no idea, either, which likely means that it doesn’t much matter . . ."

Quality control is slipping.



Tom,

Did DCP really say this?
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Darth J wrote:
John A. Tvedtnes wrote: In one, for example, he says that the Lord told him that all the churches were wrong, while in another he says that he had already come to this conclusion before going out in the woods to pray. I see no real contradiction between Joseph Smith believing, when he went to pray, that he should join none of the churches, and the Lord confirming that thought by revelation. After all, he went into the woods to get an answer. If his mind was already made up and he merely needed confirmation, this fits the pattern described in D&C 9:8, where the Lord said, “you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right.” The point of the official published version of Joseph Smith’s story is that he received a revelation on the issue. But even that version does not preclude the idea that he had already determined the answer and needed confirmation. http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/varian ... stle-paul/


Versus

Joseph Smith--History 1:18 wrote: My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.


This was my immediate thought as well when I read the OP. I am glad I read all the responses before typing out my own. I dig the irony that Tvedtnes' attempt to resolve a contradiction with an entirely unsupported supposition itself merely creates another contradiction that the apologists will then need to address. I pity the mopologists. Their job must seem like an endless game of whack-a-mole.
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tom wrote:Peterson seems uninterested in the subject. Asked on his blog whether the piece is a reprint of a Meridian Magazine article, he replies: "Possibly so. I have no idea. But if I have no idea, others probably have no idea, either, which likely means that it doesn’t much matter . . ."

Quality control is slipping.

Tom,

Did DCP really say this?

He did indeed: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterson/2012/11/variants-in-the-stories-of-the-first-vision-of-joseph-smith-and-the-apostle-paul.html#comments
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It may very well be that he's decided that it doesn't matter what he does. He may at last feel that he's got enough of a loyal fanbase that he can pretty much do whatever he wants, and it won't affect the readership or donations one iota.

by the way: it appears that Rodney Meldrum--or someone pretending to be him--has responded on that posting.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:It may very well be that he's decided that it doesn't matter what he does. He may at last feel that he's got enough of a loyal fanbase that he can pretty much do whatever he wants, and it won't affect the readership or donations one iota.

by the way: it appears that Rodney Meldrum--or someone pretending to be him--has responded on that posting.

If you click on Rodney Meldrum's name in that comment, it will take you to the Let Me Google That For You web site and do a search for the word "hypocrite." Heh.
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