Instantaneous long-distance travel of LDS gods

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Mktavish wrote:I think its easily explained or examined by a simple demonstration we all had in physics class.

Showing how electricity travels through a wire and mocking that up as water in a hose.
Place a meter at both ends ... when force is applied the meter's register simultaneously because the hose is full of water.

Now take that concept and convert it to a globe of emission from a point source. The medium of wich conveys the information is dark matter/energy.

And then its not that much of stretch to say this dark matter/energy can organize and manipulate regular matter/energy within the vicinity at the other end of the pipe so to speak.


I'm trying to picture in my mind how this would work
Say that Eloheim sent out a new revelation to all the
angels in His cosmic domain -- and that they all
receive this communication instantaneously. Why
could He not just as easily teleport His body to the
locations of all those distant celestial beings,
as quickly and effortlessly?

Mormon doctrine professes the first miracle, but then
turns around and forbids the second.

Is the Divine Substance transmissible via this
dark matter conduit?

UD
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Please people.

Hasn't physics suffered enough? What harm has it ever done you? Let it alone.

Just rub out the equations on the blackboard in this cartoon, and the words are enough for all the god-talk you would ever want to do:

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Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Chap wrote:Please people.
Hasn't physics suffered enough...


Imagine it is 2040 and this message must be
sent out from the first manned expedition to
Mars:

"Emergency alert -- expedition team leader
Col. Bradbury dead in accident at Olympus Mons."

If only we have an interplanetary hydrologic pipeline
in place, then that message can arrive on earth
just as quickly as it is sent.

If we need to rely on electronic transmission, the
message arrives many minutes later.

Or, am I missing some facts about our relying upon
Morse code, transmitted by squeezing a long pipe?

UD
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Uncle Dale wrote:
Chap wrote:Please people.
Hasn't physics suffered enough...


Imagine it is 2040 and this message must be
sent out from the first manned expedition to
Mars:

"Emergency alert -- expedition team leader
Col. Bradbury dead in accident at Olympus Mons."

If only we have an interplanetary hydrologic pipeline
in place, then that message can arrive on earth
just as quickly as it is sent.

If we need to rely on electronic transmission, the
message arrives many minutes later.

Or, am I missing some facts about our relying upon
Morse code, transmitted by squeezing a long pipe?

UD


The problem is that the underlined portion of your post is devoid of any meaning other than:

"Some means of faster than light communication dependent for its operation on physical principles which are at present yet to be discovered and which would need to run contrary to what we currently think we know about the most basic laws of physics."

That doesn't mean that something like that may not one day turn out to be a practical possibility. It is not, so far as we know, a logical impossibility (as would be, for instance, a whole number between 3 and 10 that was simultaneously odd and even).

It's just that if we want to speculate about it with the intellectual equipment currently available to us, we had better accept that we are leaving science and venturing into la-la land. Or maybe 'asking for miracles' might be more a more polite description.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Chap wrote:
Uncle Dale wrote:
Imagine it is 2040 and this message must be
sent out from the first manned expedition to
Mars:

"Emergency alert -- expedition team leader
Col. Bradbury dead in accident at Olympus Mons."

If only we have an interplanetary hydrologic pipeline
in place, then that message can arrive on earth
just as quickly as it is sent.

If we need to rely on electronic transmission, the
message arrives many minutes later.

Or, am I missing some facts about our relying upon
Morse code, transmitted by squeezing a long pipe?

UD


The problem is that the underlined portion of your post is devoid of any meaning other than:

"Some means of faster than light communication dependent for its operation on physical principles which are at present yet to be discovered and which would need to run contrary to what we currently think we know about the most basic laws of physics."

That doesn't mean that something like that may not one day turn out to be a practical possibility. It is not, so far as we know, a logical impossibility (as would be, for instance, a whole number between 3 and 10 that was simultaneously odd and even).

It's just that if we want to speculate about it with the intellectual equipment currently available to us, we had better accept that we are leaving science and venturing into la-la land. Or maybe 'asking for miracles' might be more a more polite description.


Did mktavish lead me astray? I was all ready to install a
pipe full of sand between my house and Kolob. If I press
on one end of the sand, there is instantly movement at
the other end, way off at Kolob. No need to worry about
the speed of light limitations.

Or, am I misunderstanding how hydrology itself works?

UD
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I thought everyone knew that all communication with Kolob uses two cans and a long piece of string.
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Brad Hudson wrote:I thought everyone knew that all communication with Kolob uses two cans and a long piece of string.

So that is what those Expresso soup commercials are about!
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
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