Droopy wrote:Focusing on minor and very rare typos on message boards is the sure sign there is a pure, USDA, 97% fat free jackass in the room
Its also a sign of intellectual lightweights who can't pull their own weight.
I don't remember ever commenting on your typos. My issues with you have to do with your empty thought and the ludicrous prose behind it.
So, are you going to put up and answer my request?
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Droopy wrote:Just on a lark, "Bob," as you've spent probably 97% of your time on this board insulting my and other apologists intelligence when disagreement arises, and spending inordinate amounts of time casting doubt upon our levels of knowledge and education, while engaging in an incredibly little amount (none, as far as I can see) of serious, civil, critical argument or discussion, I wonder, if you actually think I'm an "intellectual lightweight," pick a subject upon which you would like to discuss problems or debate an opposing view, put it up here (or, let's take it to the celestial room where heavy moderation will ensure a basically uninterrupted field for detailed, methodical, point/counterpoint debate), and challenge me on it (providing its something I have some ability to discuss.
That's a dare Bob.
Stand and deliver.
Dare accepted. Please discuss Lacan's use of metaphor and metonymy as it relates to Saussure's concept of the Sign.
Nope. Still nothing happening in Celestial. Droopy must be engaged in frantic web-searching.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Bob Loblaw wrote: Dare accepted. Please discuss Lacan's use of metaphor and metonymy as it relates to Saussure's concept of the Sign.
"The Church is authoritarian, tribal, provincial, and founded on a loosely biblical racist frontier sex cult."--Juggler Vain "The LDS church is the Amway of religions. Even with all the soap they sell, they still manage to come away smelling dirty."--Some Schmo
I notice that Droopy is still ignoring my request. Makes you wonder what he means when he talks about intellectual seriousness. Obviously it has nothing to do with discussion of anything intellectual. Maybe he really means his lame imitations of Weird Al.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Bob Loblaw wrote:I notice that Droopy is still ignoring my request. Makes you wonder what he means when he talks about intellectual seriousness. Obviously it has nothing to do with discussion of anything intellectual. Maybe he really means his lame imitations of Weird Al.
Looking back, I see that Droopy allowed himself a let-out clause in his dare:
... if you actually think I'm an "intellectual lightweight," pick a subject upon which you would like to discuss problems or debate an opposing view, put it up here (or, let's take it to the celestial room where heavy moderation will ensure a basically uninterrupted field for detailed, methodical, point/counterpoint debate), and challenge me on it (providing its something I have some ability to discuss.)
The underlined words have the effect of changing the terms of the challenge so that it isn't really you that gets to choose the subject, but Droopy, since if he can't handle the topic he can duck out.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote:The underlined words have the effect of changing the terms of the challenge so that it isn't really you that gets to choose the subject, but Droopy, since if he can't handle the topic he can duck out.
I thought the same thing. I can only assume that Droopy doesn't feel equipped to talk about psychology and semiotics, but I'm sure he'll continue telling me I am an intellectual phony because I find his argument by verbose assertion tiring and childish.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Since we are engaged in pulling Droopy's tail, a sport that is always fun, I think I ought to mortify myself just a little (a remnant from my Christian past) by saying that there is a part of me that admires some things about Droopy. I am talking about his apparent determination to become an educated and knowledgeable person despite all the factors in his personal life that have made that difficult.
But knowledge alone is not enough. I just wish he could have that magical encounter with a teacher he trusts who would lead him to see that the best thing one can do with one's dearest beliefs is to question them, and to think of all the possible reasons why someone else might reasonably find them implausible. They may well come out of that encounter stronger than before. The great thing, however, is that one will be a lot better at persuading other people that one's point of view is worth taking seriously. At the moment, Droopy's mode of advocating a point of view is usually guaranteed to make it seem deeply unattractive to anyone who does not already hold it.
That is, I hope, the precise opposite of what he intends.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
