A Losing Generation - Game over for "Mormonism"

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Re: A Losing Generation - Game over for "Mormonism"

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bcspace wrote:I dunno. I see more and more people turning to more LDS-like lifestyles after experiencing the World and finding it empty.

Religious ethics and health codes evolved for a reason: because they make us healthier, happier, and more successful. So yeah, I think anyone who turns to an LDS-like lifestyle is making a good choice.
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Re: A Losing Generation - Game over for "Mormonism"

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CaliforniaKid wrote:
bcspace wrote:I dunno. I see more and more people turning to more LDS-like lifestyles after experiencing the World and finding it empty.

Religious ethics and health codes evolved for a reason: because they make us healthier, happier, and more successful. So yeah, I think anyone who turns to an LDS-like lifestyle is making a good choice.


What are the essential elements in this 'LDS-like' lifestyle?

Does it include giving away 10% of gross income and spending three hours in church every Sunday? Plus serving a two-year mission? or what?
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Re: A Losing Generation - Game over for "Mormonism"

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why me wrote:
thews wrote:Actually, it's because they're brainwashed into believing the burning in the bosom is validation that they aren't being lied to... the internet will change things eventually.



The 'burning of the bosom is in the Bible...

Uhh, stop. Stop right there and rethink your approach :)
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bcspace wrote:I dunno. I see more and more people turning to more LDS-like lifestyles after experiencing the World and finding it empty.

CaliforniaKid wrote:Religious ethics and health codes evolved for a reason: because they make us healthier, happier, and more successful. So yeah, I think anyone who turns to an LDS-like lifestyle is making a good choice.

Chap wrote:What are the essential elements in this 'LDS-like' lifestyle?

Does it include giving away 10% of gross income and spending three hours in church every Sunday? Plus serving a two-year mission? or what?

I thought the essential elements are eschewing coffee and its heart healthy qualities, being a tea-totaler even though 1-2 alcohol drinks a day yield health benefits, over indulging on carbohydrates and dying of heart attack, stroke or other complications of diabetes.
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Chap wrote:What are the essential elements in this 'LDS-like' lifestyle?

Does it include giving away 10% of gross income and spending three hours in church every Sunday? Plus serving a two-year mission? or what?

The LDS faith encourages prosocial behavior, abstinence from harmful narcotics, maintenance of stable families, participation in a moral community, and maintenance of a strong work ethic. All good, pragmatic behaviors.

A Buddhist sage once said that it's a blessing to be born into a religion, but a shame to die in one. I think that's about right. Secular ethics are more rational, but not so good on the socialization side. Religion taught me a lot of good life skills, including helping me get over my natural shyness.
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CaliforniaKid wrote:...A Buddhist sage once said that it's a blessing to be born into a religion, but a shame to die in one.


Touche.
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CaliforniaKid wrote:
A Buddhist sage once said that it's a blessing to be born into a religion, but a shame to die in one.


Words to live by.

Don't remember hearing this before but have often expressed such sentiments to my wife and family. Great to hear that this idea is already out there from no less a source than a Buddhist sage.

Do you have the original source for this quotation?

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hobo1512 wrote:by the way, are you talking about the so called witnesses that all signed virtually identical statements that they all stated themselves? Yep, trust them absolutely!


I really don't understand the "evil" of a statement being created that all parties agree on, and then to sign it?
Could you enlighten us?

I guess we can't trust "lawsuits" then according to you?
I guess we can't trust Mission Statements?
I guess we can't trust ANY kind of written statement (or verbal one I'm sure according to your standard) simply because a "group" of people sign on it as their witness, belief, views, or experiences?

I really don't understand how anti-mormons think they use "logic" and have any sort of DEPTH and fact in their judgments?

I mean, many of you believe such a stupid thing as the above statement made by your anti-mormon brother. You should be embarrassed!

Aren't these the same guys that used their "spiritual eyes" instead of actually seeing them? Yep, trust them absolutely!


I really don't understand the anti-mormon fascination with using a little truth to lie.
It was ONLY the "Three Witnesses" who saw the plates "spiritually", which is natural because after all an Angel of God was there presenting them. Everyone knows that a person is "translated" when they see a messenger from God.

The Eight Witnesses, handled, saw, and touched the plates with their own eyes.
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why me wrote:
thews wrote:Actually, it's because they're brainwashed into believing the burning in the bosom is validation that they aren't being lied to... the internet will change things eventually.



The 'burning of the bosom is in the Bible...

Mercury wrote:Uhh, stop. Stop right there and rethink your approach :)


Mercury, "thews" is a "Christian" anti-mormon. The approach thus applies.

And "thews", the burning in the bosom is most certainly in the Bible.

Question: Why do Mormons put their trust in a "burning in their bosoms" while real Christians put their trust in the Bible?
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If a conviction of truth comes only through reading the Bible, one can't help but wonder why there are so many different Protestant and Catholic churches in the world today.

The Bible teaches that one cannot know that Jesus is the Lord without the Holy Ghost (1 Cor. 12:3), which works on the heart and guides us into all truth (John 16:13). For example, on the day of Pentecost, the three thousand who were led to Jesus, and who joined the Church and were baptized were not converted by reading the New Testament--it hadn't been written yet. They weren't converted by studying the writing of the ancient prophets either the Pharisees and Sadducees had been doing that for centuries, yet they didn't accept Christ.

The three thousand were converted because of a pouring out of the Spirit, which bore testimony to them. They were, as the Bible so aptly states, "pricked in their heart" (Acts 2:37). Once the conversion process begins, Paul tells us that God sends forth "the Spirit of his Son into your hearts" (Gal. 4:6). Does that mean if you do not feel of His Spirit in your heart that you aren't converted? The author believes it does.

Critics are mistaken if they think Latter-day Saints only put their trust in physical sensations in their chests. Perhaps we have focused too much on the earlier phrase of D & C 9:8 where the Lord tells Oliver Cowdery that his "bosom shall burn" within, and we sometimes miss the most important part of that sentence: "you shall feel that it is right."

We have been commanded to "trust in that Spirit which leadeth to do good--yea, to do justly, to walk humbly, to judge righteously; and this is my Spirit" (D & C 11:12). We know that the fruits of this same spirit are "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance" (Gal. 5:22, 23). It is this Spirit with his many "fruits" of good character that we strive and pray for, not just a "burning in the bosom."

Nevertheless, the Bible teaches that feelings of the Spirit are often experienced as a burning in the bosom. Two disciples who were on the road to Emmaus were visited by the resurrected Lord. They didn't recognize him with their eyes, nor because of their knowledge of the scriptures. They recognized him when "their eyes were opened" and they recalled: "Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?" (Luke 24:32)

Alma teaches us that to be born again is a spiritual process that affects the heart and begins as we receive Christ. He asked members of the Church, "Have ye experienced this mighty change in your hearts?" (Alma 5:14). True conversion is an experience of the heart--it can't come solely from reading the Bible, since the Bible as we know it only came into being in the 4th century AD. Many early Christians died in the Roman Coliseum. Why were they willing to die? Because of a conviction of the heart. For centuries after the Bible canon was formed, Christians still did not have access to it. Many were actually forbidden to read it.

Detractors who are sometimes "past feeling" poke fun at the spiritual feelings of one's heart. They have even likened it to indigestion from too much pizza. Perhaps some have become so numb to feelings of the Spirit that they do not know what it is like to be "pricked in their heart." Instead they mock those who attempt to describe a spiritual event with common words.
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ldsfaqs wrote:The Eight Witnesses, handled, saw, and touched the plates with their own eyes.


Ouch.
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