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Hey again, Runtu! :smile:

Runtu wrote:
My guess is that people like Scott see this panel discussion in terms of making sure that the apostate family member doesn't infect other family members with his or her apostasy. Such an approach would, I imagine, involve building walls between the family and the apostate.


Yeah, building walls (or making the walls that already clearly exist even higher and thicker than they are) is a complete fail for all involved - in my opinion.
It is also tragically sad - and tragically sad on multiple levels.

It might serve their immediate goals, but in the long run, I don't think such an approach helps these families at all.


Looking past their goals for a moment (whatever their goals are) and to focus the vision on something much more important in my view - helping families - is, without question, something that ought to receive serious attention, enormous effort and significant consideration.

I don't doubt that the FAIR folks believe they are performing a labor of love, compassion, kindness, and understanding,


Really?
How so?

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Ceeboo wrote:
I don't doubt that the FAIR folks believe they are performing a labor of love, compassion, kindness, and understanding,


Really?
How so?

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To believe otherwise would be to accuse them of acting in bad faith. I know enough of them to believe they think they are doing good in their efforts. They believe that defending the church helps build happier, more godly individuals and families.
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Runtu wrote:
To believe otherwise would be to accuse them of acting in bad faith.


Not really!
Perhaps, to believe otherwise would be to simply understand why they were born, their main focus, and why they currently exist - to defend Mormonism!

I know enough of them to believe they think they are doing good in their efforts. They believe that defending the church helps build happier, more godly individuals and families.


Have you read the MDDB thread you authored?! :lol:

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Ceeboo wrote:Not really!
Perhaps, to believe otherwise would be to simply understand why they were born, their main focus, and why they currently exist - to defend Mormonism!


But again, I think they believe that defending Mormonism is a good, positive thing.

Have you read the MDDB thread you authored?! :lol:

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I think that thread shows that some people have a strong distrust of ex-Mormons and feel they need to protect members from us. Sad, but true.
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Runtu wrote:
But again, I think they believe that defending Mormonism is a good, positive thing.


Very well!
I'll leave it there.

Thanks for the exchange! :smile:

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I am not sure if you saw this Runtu, but on page 4 of your thread over at MAD Wiki Wonka wrote:

Wiki Wonka At MAD wrote:This description accurately describes the purpose of the panel. It is to discuss how we interact with and treat loved ones who reject the Church, and will feature members who have had family members leave.


Hopefully it will cover methods on how not to demonize ex-members and feature LLoyd as an example of what not to do.
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Fence Sitter wrote:I am not sure if you saw this Runtu, but on page 4 of your thread over at MAD Wiki Wonka wrote:

Wiki Wonka At MAD wrote:This description accurately describes the purpose of the panel. It is to discuss how we interact with and treat loved ones who reject the Church, and will feature members who have had family members leave.


Hopefully it will cover methods on how not to demonize ex-members and feature LLoyd as an example of what not to do.


As I said to Scott, "demonize" may be too strong a word, but clearly he has a very negative opinion of ex-Mormons, such that he believes that inviting one to the panel would almost inevitably lead to said exmo lashing out at the church during the session.

I'll leave it to them to decide who will be on the panel, but I was taken aback by the hostility with which my questions and assumptions were greeted.
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Hostility?

Say it ain't so!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Kishkumen wrote:Hostility?

Say it ain't so!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I think it's just that I hadn't been over there in a long time, so I had forgotten a lot about the environment. Maybe I should just stay away. It never ends well when I post over there.
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I take it back. Demonize is exactly the right word. Brother Lloyd not only says that a hypothetical ex-Mormon is likely to use such a panel discussion as an opportunity to attack the church, but he specifically said I would do that.

If nothing else, it's a good reminder of just how difficult it is to talk to people who consider you pond scum.
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