Bednar claims the church is growing and vibrant

[Marcus]

Bednar didn't say his wife was worried he might "accidentally" hit her.

[MG 2.0]

And this is the culture we live in today. We can’t even playfully tease.

I can see where you are coming from, I think. A place where, and it is true, women have been ‘objects’ and a point of belittlement. I would be the last one to argue against that.

But c’mon, have a little grace. Think of context. Think of those involved. Try and understand that there is actually a time and a place for an innocent and playful gesture.

Sheesh.

I think this response clarifies your overly sensitive response at times on this board when others are playfully bantering back and forth and teasing.

My guess is that there are others here who are seeing your comments in regards to Bednar’s water bottle as being a bit over the top. But they probably won’t call you on it because you’ll accuse them as being sexist.

Things have gone way to far in this fractured society when we can’t do anything without being called out as being this or that.

Regards,
MG

You "playfully tease" in public settings that your wife is afraid you will hit her with a water bottle?

You would like women to "have a little grace" about the "innocent and playful gesture" of telling an audience she is afraid you will hit her with a water bottle?

I am grateful that the culture i live in today doesn't include expecting women to gracefully acquisce when men would like to playfully tease them about how they are afraid of being hit by their spouse.

I would simply ask others to go back and look at the video being referred to. The 2:30 mark.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 07146.html

Make your own judgement..

Sheesh.

Don’t rely on the board nanny.

Regards,
MG

[Res Ipsa]

Yes. As I read it, physical limitations, SSA, and being physically attractive all fall within his category "challenges in the flesh"

My question was
"has Bednar stated that "an inclination to be attracted to those of the opposite sex" is also an example of a "challenge in the flesh"? "

Sorry, I misread.

He didn't in that answer, but that wasn't part of the question he was asked. I haven't scoured the published words of Mr. Bednar (and you can't make me! ), so I don't know. Given his belief that sex outside of marriage is contrary to God's laws, I suspect it would. Sort of by definition, anything that could lead a person to violate God's laws during our mortal existence would be a challenge in the flesh. His argument is, we all have them, but the nature of the challenge doesn't define us: only whether we obey God's laws.

[Marcus]

My question was
"has Bednar stated that "an inclination to be attracted to those of the opposite sex" is also an example of a "challenge in the flesh"? "

Sorry, I misread.

He didn't in that answer, but that wasn't part of the question he was asked. I haven't scoured the published words of Mr. Bednar (and you can't make me! ),

Lol, nor me! I'm still traumatized by that 45 second video of him holding a young boy by force, in a full body clench from behind (to imitate satan's hold or something) in the middle of a roundtable discussion. The boy was visibly distraught, with tears running down his face. His parents were sitting in the circle, watching it happen.

in my opinion, Bednar doesn't have a good handle on appropriate public interactions.

[Res Ipsa]

You really should not emulate Binger in your portrayal of analogies. In what way does Bednar say that SSA is "like unto" physical disabilities?

We are sons and daughters of God and all of us have different challenges in the flesh. There are many different types of challenges. Would it be a challenge to be very beautiful or very handsome, and in the world in which we live, never develop deep character because we are able to open doors and have success just because of our physical appearance? And we become shallow and superficial in many aspects of our lives.

That can be a challenge in the flesh.

Some people have physical limitations: They may be born with a body that is not fully functional, or we may have an inclination to be attracted to those of the same sex.

It couldn’t be any clearer than this.

Can you answer my question? Analogies are based on some perceived commonality between two or more things. What did Bednar say SSA and "physical limitations" have in common? You don't have to guess, right. It's right there in the text you insist on leaving out.

Also note that everything before the comma is in third person, while what comes after the comma is in first. Note also that three almost identical pauses are punctuated with a colon, then a comma, then a period. The shift from third to first person is inconsistent with the interpretation you want to put on the words. A period in place of the comma may be truer to the speaker's meaning.

[Res Ipsa]

Bednar didn't say his wife was worried he might "accidentally" hit her.

Context is everything.

[Res Ipsa]

Sorry, I misread.

He didn't in that answer, but that wasn't part of the question he was asked. I haven't scoured the published words of Mr. Bednar (and you can't make me! ),

Lol, nor me! I'm still traumatized by that 45 second video of him holding a young boy by force, in a full body clench from behind (to imitate satan's hold or something) in the middle of a roundtable discussion. The boy was visibly distraught, with tears running down his face. His parents were sitting in the circle, watching it happen.

in my opinion, Bednar doesn't have a good handle on appropriate public interactions.

OMG. I haven't seen that. It sounds... really uncomfortable.

I haven't seen enough of him to judge, but the interaction you describe sounds pretty cringe.

[MG 2.0]

Lol, nor me! I'm still traumatized by that 45 second video of him holding a young boy by force, in a full body clench from behind (to imitate satan's hold or something) in the middle of a roundtable discussion. The boy was visibly distraught, with tears running down his face. His parents were sitting in the circle, watching it happen.

Link?

If it’s as cringe worthy as the water bottle incident that drives you crazy…I’m not too concerned. I guess I’d have to see what you’re referring to first though.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Lol, nor me! I'm still traumatized by that 45 second video of him holding a young boy by force, in a full body clench from behind (to imitate satan's hold or something) in the middle of a roundtable discussion. The boy was visibly distraught, with tears running down his face. His parents were sitting in the circle, watching it happen.

in my opinion, Bednar doesn't have a good handle on appropriate public interactions.

OMG. I haven't seen that. It sounds... really uncomfortable.

I haven't seen enough of him to judge, but the interaction you describe sounds pretty cringe.

Yes, it was.

[I Have Questions]

Can you answer my question?

We are sons and daughters of God and all of us have different challenges in the flesh. There are many different types of challenges. Would it be a challenge to be very beautiful or very handsome, and in the world in which we live, never develop deep character because we are able to open doors and have success just because of our physical appearance? And we become shallow and superficial in many aspects of our lives.

That can be a challenge in the flesh.

Some people have physical limitations: They may be born with a body that is not fully functional, or we may have an inclination to be attracted to those of the same sex.

It couldn’t be any clearer than this.