BYP Hosts Dr. John Lundwall - The Book of Mormon is WHOLLY Anachronistic

[Philo Sofee]

I guess I am agreeing with this. I have enjoyed some Philo discussions that were shorter. I listened to a presentation by Dr Lundwall not long ago. His observation about the Book of Mormon showing a literate culture and that that would be in stark contrast to what is found in the Americas on several levels is worth consideration.

If there is significant additional topics I might consider continuing this presentation, otherwise it is too slow and long for me.

I started listening to it and did so for a while and then found myself starting to doze a bit and left off to do other things and didn’t come back to it yet.

My question would be…and maybe it was answered later on down the road…why does Lundwall believe that a loose translation “does violence” to the Book of Mormon that then negates the whole enterprise?

I’ve stated before that I am more or less a Blake Ostler fan in regards to Book of Mormon translation. Would Lundwall say that Ostler has ‘done violence’ in regards to his theories of Book of Mormon translation?

Does loose translation throw any kind of a monkey wrench into Lundwall’s reasons for skepticism?

Regards,
MG

Absolutely. It is pure violence, and yes Lundwall does show this.... it will give you something good to watch.

[Marcus]

... I am more or less a Blake Ostler fan in regards to Book of Mormon translation...

What is it about Blake Ostler's ideas about the Book of Mormon transation that make you a fan?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

... I am more or less a Blake Ostler fan in regards to Book of Mormon translation...

What is it about Blake Ostler's ideas about the Book of Mormon transation that make you a fan?

Complexity, NHM, and HeartSell. It’s all the usual nonsense. Get out your bingo card and ctr+f:

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-cont ... N01_68.pdf

In other words, after 25 years of people detailing, and I mean in excruciating detail, to MG all the nonsense that is the Book of Mormon, the big dumb Mormon yokel literally ignored everything and chose HeartSell.

Never stop MG, and we know you won’t.

- Doc

[MG 2.0]

What is it about Blake Ostler's ideas about the Book of Mormon transation that make you a fan?

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-cont ... N01_68.pdf

Ostler:
It is my purpose to…offer a theory of the Book of Mormon as Joseph Smith's expansion of an ancient work by building on the work of earlier prophets to answer the nagging problems of his day. In so doing, he provided unrestricted and authoritative commentary, interpretation, explanation, and clarifications based on insights from the ancient Book of Mormon text and the King James Bible ( K J V ) . The result is a modern world view and theological understanding superimposed on the Book of Mormon text from the plates.

I like the idea that Joseph and possibly others (translation committee?) were involved in the translation process with the final product dictated through the instrumentality of Joseph as translator.

With God being the CEO overseeing the project and the final outcome.

Granted, this is conjecture. But Ostler spills a good deal of ink laying it all out.

It’s fairly well accepted by most people nowadays that Joseph couldn’t have written the Book of Mormon on his own.

Regards,
MG

[Kishkumen]

It’s fairly well accepted by most people nowadays that Joseph couldn’t have written the Book of Mormon on his own.

Regards,
MG

You mean, it’s fairly well accepted by those who believe by spiritual conviction in the Book of Mormon that Joseph couldn’t have written it?

[Philo Sofee]

It’s fairly well accepted by most people nowadays that Joseph couldn’t have written the Book of Mormon on his own.

Regards,
MG

You mean, it’s fairly well accepted by those who believe by spiritual conviction in the Book of Mormon that Joseph couldn’t have written it?

Amazingly, that statement isn't even true within Mormonism, let alone the rest of the 7,000,000,000 people on the planet. Most people would mean 1,000 time more people on the planet than there are Mormons, at minimum, and there is precisely 0 chance that is true... MG simply is spouting nonsense of the highest caliber with that one.

[Shulem]

Absolutely. It is pure violence, and yes Lundwall does show this.... it will give you something good to watch.

The hacking off of Anubis's nose in order to justify the fake translation of the explanation given for figure 6 was more violent than anything I can imagine. It was brutal. It was vicious. It was a wanton act of violence!

Wouldn't you agree, MG 2.0? Certainly you cannot justify that despicable act.

[Shulem]

It’s fairly well accepted by most people nowadays that Joseph couldn’t have written the Book of Mormon on his own.

Well, I'm not most people and I believe Smith told the story while his eyes were closed while dreaming up ideas and circumstances in which he had been contemplating for years. He had some notes which consisted of dates and names in which to frame and decorate his stories and keep track of the timeline and geography. His creativity was immense and his ability to tell a story while dictating was a great talent. He could not have done it by writing himself. He had to have scribes so he could orally dictate. That is how is mind was wired and he was brilliant in pulling off a great novel.

The entire Book of Mormon came from Joseph Smith. I am absolutely convinced of that.

[Marcus]

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-cont ... N01_68.pdf

It is my purpose to…offer a theory of the Book of Mormon as Joseph Smith's expansion of an ancient work by building on the work of earlier prophets to answer the nagging problems of his day. In so doing, he provided unrestricted and authoritative commentary, interpretation, explanation, and clarifications based on insights from the ancient Book of Mormon text and the King James Bible ( K J V ) . The result is a modern world view and theological understanding superimposed on the Book of Mormon text from the plates.

I like the idea that Joseph and possibly others (translation committee?) were involved in the translation process with the final product dictated through the instrumentality of Joseph as translator.

With God being the CEO overseeing the project and the final outcome.

Granted, this is conjecture. But Ostler spills a good deal of ink laying it all out....

Huh. I didn't get at all from Ostler's ink anything like your comments above. Could you explain where in the link you provided that Ostler believes "Joseph and possibly others (translation committee?) were involved in the translation process with the final product dictated through the instrumentality of Joseph as translator" ??

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I like the idea that Joseph and possibly others (translation committee?) were involved in the translation process with the final product dictated through the instrumentality of Joseph as translator.

With God being the CEO overseeing the project and the final outcome.

Granted, this is conjecture. But Ostler spills a good deal of ink laying it all out....

Huh. I didn't get at all from Ostler's ink anything like your comments above. Could you explain where in the link you provided that Ostler believes "Joseph and possibly others (translation committee?) were involved in the translation process with the final product dictated through the instrumentality of Joseph as translator" ??

He just skimmed to the second paragraph of the Introduction.

25 years of spouting nonsense, lying about reading, and failing over and over to learn by blithely ignoring the cumulative effort to answer him.

It’s all wasted time. This supremely stupid Mormon yokel just lies about everything. Any man older than fifty still wasting time in that cult is a stupid Mormon yokel.

- Doc