Problematic John Dehlin, a short list

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A primary thing with Money, Kelly, and Rosebud and others that deserves censure is how he responds to dissent. With Rosebud, he pushed her out. With Money just acknowledging that she didn't get paid for the work, he pushed her out. With Kelly expressing some support for Money, he cut her off and blocked her.

Do they have a constitutional right not to be edited on Dehlin's social media by Dehlin, or, to use a handy analogy, if they come into his store and behave really poorly, does he have a right to refuse them service?

I didn't read her as saying he didn't have a right. He has a right to toss anyone out just as the Church does. It's simply something to put out there. Dehlin was upset when the Church canned him for his disagreements with it. Yet he seems quicker than the Church to kick people out of his club for even more minor offenses. I wonder if there's a comparison to make in terms of number of those kicked out of both clubs relative to the size of the whole?

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Thanks for the kind words!

Let me chime in and say Gina is perhaps the most talented interviewer in the Bloggernacle!

Her careful and articulate questions probe beneath the surface and often expose rich deposits of gold.

I aspire to be as good as she!

This week I was blown away by your versatility, you're not just a two trick pony of incisive analysis combined with dad jokes and loud laughter, but something on a whole different level.

But I digress. I'm some what in awe that you've just replied to one of my posts, I'm such a fanboy that I'm starting to catch a glimpse of how Rosebud must have felt around JD.

Anyway, I forgot to mention Heather on Infants on Thrones who was also amazing before in order to became crap (is Rosebud to blame for this too? Pitting Matt vs Glenn?) and her getting long covid.

Anyway, my point is, and I'm probably labouring it too much, there are fantastic female podcasters out there, some people just have a natural talent. It's life. Unfortunately KMs podcast efforts didn't soar to these heights. If she'd been any good, I have no doubt JD would have snapped her up long term for Open Stories Foundation in the blink of an eye... and opened his tight wallet.

JD's place in podcasting reminds me a bit of Microsoft back in the day. Basically everywhere, but their products were never particularly outstanding, they had just conquerored the world and there was no real competitor until Apple were resuscitated. To be honest, it's the guests he manages to get on his programme that is so good...

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So it’s a bad thing he changed it?

Nope, but it's a bad thing he did it the first place and verifies claims that he was offering psychotherapy without a license.

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To be honest, it's the guests he manages to get on his programme that is so good...

This. John Dehlin got the format right - let them speak for as long as it takes. None of us are there to hear John.

[Meadowchik]

MONEY DID NOT PRODUCE REVENUE

And? She simply acknowledged that she didn't get paid. The Dehlin turned on her. After that is when her complaints--about his general treatment of contributors--accumulated.

[Meadowchik]

You need to compare this to what his website USED to say. Someone grabbed a screenshot before he changed it where it says

Information about his psychotherapy and coaching private practice can be found here. [link]

So it looks like he was advertising psychotherapy AND coaching.

Thank you for that reminder..

[Kishkumen]

I didn't read her as saying he didn't have a right. He has a right to toss anyone out just as the Church does. It's simply something to put out there. Dehlin was upset when the Church canned him for his disagreements with it. Yet he seems quicker than the Church to kick people out of his club for even more minor offenses. I wonder if there's a comparison to make in terms of number of those kicked out of both clubs relative to the size of the whole?

I don’t believe that a business has the same obligations a church has. Does JD offer eternal salvation? Divine truth? Priesthood authority? Prophetic predictions?

No, no, no, no.

[Meadowchik]

Do they have a constitutional right not to be edited on Dehlin's social media by Dehlin, or, to use a handy analogy, if they come into his store and behave really poorly, does he have a right to refuse them service?

As much right as LDS members have to question church leaders in testimony meeting.

I'm talking about tendancies which are problematic, ie harmful. I'm not attempting a legal analysis of either (and neither do, I'm guessing, the vast majority of topics on this board.)

[Kishkumen]

As much right as LDS members have to question church leaders in testimony meeting.

I'm talking about tendancies which are problematic, ie harmful. I'm not attempting a legal analysis of either (and neither do, I'm guessing, the vast majority of topics on this board.)

And he has a right to weed out PITA people.

[Meadowchik]

I didn't read her as saying he didn't have a right. He has a right to toss anyone out just as the Church does. It's simply something to put out there. Dehlin was upset when the Church canned him for his disagreements with it. Yet he seems quicker than the Church to kick people out of his club for even more minor offenses. I wonder if there's a comparison to make in terms of number of those kicked out of both clubs relative to the size of the whole?

I don’t believe that a business has the same obligations a church has. Does John Dehlin offer eternal salvation? Divine truth? Priesthood authority? Prophetic predictions?

No, no, no, no.

No but he is someone offering support to distressed, sometimes traumatized individuals. In that he does in my opinion have a moral obligation to conduct himself ethically and to strive for healthy relationship models in the communities he is building.