Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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Jason Bourne wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:25 pm

So its your positions that RFM is positive towards John just for the money? I Don't know Conig personally but in my interactions with him over the years, long before he started podcasting, I found him to be a fairly honest and balanced person. Listening to his podcasts only has confirmed that. I don't think he wouod support John simply for the money.
My position is that RFM is overly positive towards John because he wants to build his podcasting into a career, and being aligned to (and showing allegiance to) John makes that much more likely.

The list of people whose careers have either been launched or extended by John is pretty long. The list of enemies John has who are successfully podcasting in the ex-Mormon sphere is...welll...I'm not sure if there are any.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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jpatterson wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:31 pm
Jenn Kamp's lawsuit probably will not be successful, but her case just further illustrates what is an unmistakable truth:

John Dehlin is ridiculously attracted to, and ultimately always ends up acting inappropriately with, vulnerable women. And until he is held accountable for this pattern of behavior, he will continue doing so.

Those, like RFM, who not only excuse his behavior, but actively defend it, are culpable in this regard.
Unmistakable truth? Kemp seems unhinged and if the counter law suit is accurate at all she should have been fired long before she was. The thing Dehlin seems guilty of is putting up with her BS for as long as he did. And Rosebud?? She was off her rocker. ANd dude, if you can still defend her you at least have pretty poor judgement. And not you want to malign RFM? Seems t me you are just grinding your ax against Dehlin, something you seem good at. I don't recall what happened between you and him. But it seems to be something you cannot let go of.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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Jason Bourne wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:29 pm

I think the church or its hobby apologist minions do fair game him. Go over the Mormon Dialogues and pick up a thread on him. Check out Midnight Mormons. Top LDS leadership has even named Dehlin directly as a threat.
Yes, but the point you're missing is that John uses the Fair Gaming of the Church to shield him from all kinds of legitimate criticism, including that of the Rosebud variety.

In his recent annual post, he titles it "Being Fair Gamed" and then talks about how people in the past have accused him of inappropriate behavior with women. The clear implication is that any and all criticism of John's behavior with/toward women is just the Church out to get him.

It's subtle, it's clever and it's intentional. It's also a lie.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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Jason Bourne wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:35 pm

Unmistakable truth? Kemp seems unhinged
Who hired Kemp?
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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jpatterson wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:34 pm
Jason Bourne wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:25 pm

So its your positions that RFM is positive towards John just for the money? I Don't know Conig personally but in my interactions with him over the years, long before he started podcasting, I found him to be a fairly honest and balanced person. Listening to his podcasts only has confirmed that. I don't think he wouod support John simply for the money.
My position is that RFM is overly positive towards John because he wants to build his podcasting into a career, and being aligned to (and showing allegiance to) John makes that much more likely.

The list of people whose careers have either been launched or extended by John is pretty long. The list of enemies John has who are successfully podcasting in the ex-Mormon sphere is...welll...I'm not sure if there are any.
I won't deny that aligning with Dehlin can help a post Mormon podcasting career. Which career does not seem to have an opportunity to be all that lucrative financially. I have no idea what RFM has made as a practicing attorney but I would guess it is more financially lucrative than the podcast word he is in, I think full time now. RM is I think my age or close to it. I am 63 so maybe this is a retirement, or second career for him. Something he enjoys doing and maybe does not need it to be as financially rewarding as a career as an attorney. But you imply that he will defend Dehlin ONLY because he wants to be successful as a podcaster and for the money. Like I said I do not know him personally but RFM does not seem to be the type of person to do such things.

Question. What enemies of Dehlin have tried exmo podcasting and not been successful?
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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jpatterson wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:36 pm
Jason Bourne wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:35 pm

Unmistakable truth? Kemp seems unhinged
Who hired Kemp?
I have hired a few people on my career that ended up being much different than I expected when I interviewed them. It is hard to determine someone's character a few one hour interviews.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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Jason Bourne wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:45 pm
jpatterson wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:36 pm
Who hired Kemp?
I have hired a few people on my career that ended up being much different than I expected when I interviewed them. It is hard to determine someone's character a few one hour interviews.
So you deny that John has a history of hiring overly emotional, vulnerable women?
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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jpatterson wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:47 pm
Jason Bourne wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:45 pm
I have hired a few people on my career that ended up being much different than I expected when I interviewed them. It is hard to determine someone's character a few one hour interviews.
So you deny that John has a history of hiring overly emotional, vulnerable women?
Whoa hol up. Are you calling Rosebud and Kemp overly emotional?
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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jpatterson wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:47 pm
Jason Bourne wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:45 pm
I have hired a few people on my career that ended up being much different than I expected when I interviewed them. It is hard to determine someone's character a few one hour interviews.
So you deny that John has a history of hiring overly emotional, vulnerable women?
The only two I know of are Kemp and Rosebud. But I don't spend a whole lot of time with the Open Stories Foundation as far as following its internal affairs. I listen to some podcasts and that is about it.
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Re: Jenn Kamp Files Lawsuit Against John Dehlin

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jpatterson wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:47 pm
Jason Bourne wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:45 pm
I have hired a few people on my career that ended up being much different than I expected when I interviewed them. It is hard to determine someone's character a few one hour interviews.
So you deny that John has a history of hiring overly emotional, vulnerable women?
That’s ex post facto target shooting. No one knows how any of his hires presented before hand. However, he is very guilty of not putting talent together or hiring professionals, especially for the money they were making. Like, maybe once or twice is understandable, but when it’s occurring over and over it’s definitely the person doing the hiring that’s a problem. Like, how damned hard is it to find a competent person who doesn’t steal from payroll or requires a 24-hour notice to come into work, especially for $80k/year. It’s an office job. Be at the office, man.

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