beastie wrote:by the way, the mirror MAD thread on this topic has taken a particularly repellent turn, in which believers assert that victims of abuse DO bear some responsibility for the crime.
I think if it is an LDS male that raped an LDS female, then there is an issue of so called "demonisation" because in the church males are greater and are allowed to do as they please as long as they tell the bishop and get their wrists slapped. But women have to deal with it. I do believe church will actually in some cases suggest the rape victim marry the rapist.
Imwashingmypirate wrote:Woman that find it so very easy to admit they have been raped are unlikely to have actually been raped.
That's a gross over generalization! Why do you draw that conclusion?
And very often they turn out to be dirty in sexual terms.
Hey, Pirate. :) What is "dirty in sexual terms" mean?
I mean they find it just a bit TOO easy, thus they either lack emtion and self respect or they were up for it. But then I suppose I wouldn't really know.
Well, I think that would be someone else making a subjective call on whether or not another human is emotional or it's easy. I know I did "no means no" workshops when I was an undergrad on my campus and we had speakers that had been raped. They did it because they wanted to TALK OUT -- show there is no shame -- SPEAK UP! They refused the shame -- they shucked it off. It was important to them to do this. They had a GREAT deal of self-respect! An enormous amount and they would not be shamed or muffled because they had been victimized.
I mean people that have been sexually abused or rapes most often become very sexually inclined. Not all cases but most. Some cases where this does not happen is usually when religion or upbringing doesn't socially allow it and then they revert the opposite way and find all sexual things dirty. So they either become dirty themselves or they fear being dirty.
I'm not going to follow up on this with you, 'cause I have no idea what you mean by "dirty" and I suspect you won't want to tell me.
Erm... I am having trouble explaining this. Ok I have a friend that was raped. She didn't talk about it and you wouldn't have guessed. She is very quiet. I once read her mind. This is what I read and she denied it. It took ages for her to talk about it but I just listened and understood. She talked about it and she is sincere about it. She talked because she felt comfortable and she knew she was not going to be judged by me. But someone who just goes and accuses someone of rape to a randomer that they do not know or trust is most likely not sincere. Do feel free to challenge me, I don't mind. By dirty I mean, coming on to all the guys, needing to be loved, basically being a slapper. It is about extremety. Or they become secluded in their own world and are disgusted at the idea of even touching or being touched by someone. Or even both.
Imwashingmypirate wrote:Erm... I am having trouble explaining this. Ok I have a friend that was raped. She didn't talk about it and you wouldn't have guessed. She is very quiet. I once read her mind. This is what I read and she denied it. It took ages for her to talk about it but I just listened and understood. She talked about it and she is sincere about it. She talked because she felt comfortable and she knew she was not going to be judged by me. But someone who just goes and accuses someone of rape to a randomer that they do not know or trust is most likely not sincere. Do feel free to challenge me, I don't mind.
Well, I think all women must deal with it individually. I don't think it's wise to make broad brush statements about individuals that deal with trauma in their lives. Each cope with it differenty.
By dirty I mean, coming on to all the guys, needing to be loved, basically being a slapper. It is about extremety. Or they become secluded in their own world and are disgusted at the idea of even touching or being touched by someone. Or even both.
What is a slapper? I think, again, that each woman may react differently to the trauma. They may even react differently at certain times in their lives.
http://english2american.com/dictionary/s.html wrote:slapper n person on the prowl for anything they can get. Anything. The word is applied more often to females, arguably because it is a built-in function of blokes and doesn't deserve a separate word. "Slappers" wander around the dance floor looking for the drunkest blokes and then, when they've found them, woo them by dancing backwards into them "accidentally". The are invariably spotted at the end of an evening telling the bouncer how lonely they are and trying to sit on his knee.
http://www.dirtyslapper.net/ wrote:Go on, ask us... You want to know what a dirty slapper is... Well, to tell you what it is, we have to take you on a little journey back to the motherland, Ireland. A magical place filled with beer and leprechauns... and slappers.
To put it quite simply, a dirty slapper is a female who is quite willing to give it up - "it" being a good humping - to nearly anyone she can get her hands on. A tramp or slut, if you will. Maybe even a bit of a whore, if you will. Basically someone who does not care who is in her or what part of her they are in.
Imwashingmypirate wrote:Well that is your opinion and I am ok with that.
http://english2american.com/dictionary/s.html wrote:slapper n person on the prowl for anything they can get. Anything. The word is applied more often to females, arguably because it is a built-in function of blokes and doesn't deserve a separate word. "Slappers" wander around the dance floor looking for the drunkest blokes and then, when they've found them, woo them by dancing backwards into them "accidentally". The are invariably spotted at the end of an evening telling the bouncer how lonely they are and trying to sit on his knee.
http://www.dirtyslapper.net/ wrote:Go on, ask us... You want to know what a dirty slapper is... Well, to tell you what it is, we have to take you on a little journey back to the motherland, Ireland. A magical place filled with beer and leprechauns... and slappers.
To put it quite simply, a dirty slapper is a female who is quite willing to give it up - "it" being a good humping - to nearly anyone she can get her hands on. A tramp or slut, if you will. Maybe even a bit of a whore, if you will. Basically someone who does not care who is in her or what part of her they are in.
Whoa! HAHA!
Well... I dunno what to say to this, Pirate. Some women just enjoy sexual intercourse as much as men do. It's true! They do! If a woman goes about finding different partners because she enjoys it I don't think that necessarily correlates to her being "dirty" or her having been raped in the past.
One of my best friends when I was young was a "slapper", I suppose. She loved it! They guys loved her too! She didn't do it because she'd been victimized in the past -- if anything she felt POWERFUL having sex with whoever and however she desired.
I am not suggesting all slappers have been in such a situation. But I am suggesting that most women hthat have been in such a situation are dirty whether physically or in there mind, but then there are also women who are the complete opposite that have been in this situation. it depends on how it comes out. I am just looking for something to back my claim up.