truth dancer wrote:OK, maybe it is just me but I feel like I am entering an alternative universe... or something. ;-) ... Are we seriously discussing this as reality? ... I don't even know what to say... I feel that I have entered a realm of fairies, leprechauns, unicorns, and dragons. ... Lets get back into some sense of reality? ~dancer~
Don't be afraid, TD! You are not alone. (I hope ...)
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
charity wrote: Those who would not be comfortable around Joseph Smith don't have to be where he is.
Thank God.
To restate, just so you will not make the wrong assumption again. I think almost everybody is going to be exactly where they will be the happiest. That is heaven to me.
You think the afterlife is being tailored to your specifications? You think it, so therefore it will be? All the plural wives of Joseph Smith in one place, and everyone else in another?
I suggest that we will all be happy where we are, because how could it be heaven if we had regrests, if we wished we could be some place else?
I think we all tailor the afterlife to our specifications in the sense that we will all be happy there. Of course, your specifications right now for what you think would be heaven may change when you get on the other side and the veil is removed from your mind.
I sincerely hope I will be in the same place as Joseph Smith and the other prophets because that is where God and Jesus reside.
charity wrote:I sincerely hope I will be in the same place as Joseph Smith and the other prophets because that is where God and Jesus reside.
I suggest you find a way to take lots of lemonade. It's gonna be hot where Joseph is.
You muist have missed the lesson where they talked about how there is no such thing as the traditional Christian concept of hell. And Perdition is the opposite of hot, being a kingdom of no glory.
charity wrote:I sincerely hope I will be in the same place as Joseph Smith and the other prophets because that is where God and Jesus reside.
I suggest you find a way to take lots of lemonade. It's gonna be hot where Joseph is.
You muist have missed the lesson where they talked about how there is no such thing as the traditional Christian concept of hell. And Perdition is the opposite of hot, being a kingdom of no glory.
charity wrote:I sincerely hope I will be in the same place as Joseph Smith and the other prophets because that is where God and Jesus reside.
I suggest you find a way to take lots of lemonade. It's gonna be hot where Joseph is.
You muist have missed the lesson where they talked about how there is no such thing as the traditional Christian concept of hell. And Perdition is the opposite of hot, being a kingdom of no glory.
*sigh* I was kidding, charity.
Joseph didn't like the idea of hell so he made something else up just like a lot of other man-made religions.
I'm not kidding. Can you imagine the price of a snow cone in hell?
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably. bcspace
truth dancer wrote:OK, maybe it is just me but I feel like I am entering an alternative universe... or something. ;-)
What kind of God are we talking about here. ~dancer~
This week I had just that experience, being a tool...
You said it; I didn't.
Yes, TD, threads like this are most definitely the domain of the Twilight Zone. It's amazing how people have such complex brains, they can appear incredibly stupid by simply stating what's in their imagination as reality.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
The whole Ouija Board thing with Charity helps us understand something very important, or even crucial, when we hear something like Charity telling us all that she "converted as an adult" (at the ripe old age of 19).
She was predisposed to magical thinking.
This predisposition therefor enabled her to buy into the idea that spirits or angels had visited Joseph Smith, that things like this are real, that it could happen, etc. It becomes not a question of "could this really happen?", and just a question of "did this really happen?" And the prescribed method of praying and then listening to one's feelings to decide matters of absolute, objective truth, is credible and believable.
In Charity's mind, things like the existence of spirits and the supernatural form part of the very fabric of her worldview. It is an axiom, not seriously doubted or subject to questioning, but assumed, and then relied upon as guidance in formulating answers to the various questions that come up during our lives, and in our philosophies.
I think the fact that Charity had owned a Ouija board before her conversion to Mormonism, and that she believed that it really worked, and that she believes it now, tells us an awful lot about the kind of mindset that has lead her to the absolute, undoubted, unquestioning, whole-hearted belief in Mormonism, with no holds barred, no doctrinal requirement too far-fetched, etc.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen