"I really struggle with polygamy"

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_Boaz & Lidia
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The Nehor wrote:
asbestosman wrote:So is BCSpace correct the?. Are you saying that you have personally seen that there are more women than men in the highest degree? If so, do you know why it is this way? Did you also ask the tourguide why this wouldn't make God a respector of genders and why it wouldn't degrade women becuase it's no longer as big a deal for them to make it as compared with men becuase it'd be more likely for them?


In order:

I have no idea. No. NA. I'll put that on my list of questions for when the Visions come.
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Boaz & Lidia wrote:
BCSpace wrote:Since plural marriage exists, there will obviously be more women in the highest degree than men. Perhaps it's not a matter of need to populate and more of a need to be married.
Pure speculation. How do you know this?


According to LDS Doctrine, Yes, There will be a lot more Women worthy of exaltation, than their will be men. That is why according to LDS Doctrine, that there will be big time Polygamy in Heaven, because there will be more women than men in the Celestial Kingdom, according to LDS Doctrine.
The Following is from the Second LDS President, Brigham Young:
Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of Heaven among men. Such a system was commenced by the founders of the Roman empire. That empire was founded on the banks of the Tiber by wandering brigands. When these robbers founded the city of Rome, it was evident to them that their success in attaining a balance of power with their neighbours, depended upon introducing females into their body politic, so they stole them from the Sabines, who were near neighbours. The scarcity of women gave existence to laws restricting one wife to one man. Rome became the mistress of the world, and introduced this order of monogamy wherever her sway was acknowledged. Thus this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians as a holy sacrament and divine institution, is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers.

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Why do we believe in and practise polygamy? Because the Lord introduced it to his servants in a revelation given to Joseph Smith, and the Lord's servants have always practiced it. "And is that religion popular in heaven?" It is the only popular religion there, for this is the religion of Abraham, and, unless we do the works of Abraham, we are not Abraham's seed and heirs according to promise.

( Journal of Discourses, Volume #9. , Bold Emphasis Mine. )


The Second LDS President Brigham Young, Also stated:

The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy. Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessing offered unto them, and they refused to accept them.

( Journal of Discourses, Volume #11. )



The Following is From About.com:

How many boys are born for every 100 girls?

There are 105 boy babies born for ever 100 girl babies worldwide but scientists haven't determined why this sex ratio is so.


( http://geography.about.com/library/faq/ ... eratio.htm )



However, Polyandry will Not be able to be Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, according to LDS Doctrine. The Following is from Doctrine and Covenants Section 132, verses 61-64:

Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:61-64:

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.
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liz3564 wrote:One thing I would clarify here. I don't think it's so much the fear of God smiting us for ill feelings toward Joseph Smith...it's the fact that if this revelation is, in fact, the "real deal", (which I'm not convinced it is), that polygamy is an eternal law, and to rally against it, is to rally against God, himself.


But that statement brings us back to my original point, which I don't think you've adequately addressed: If you need to "struggle with it," why assume it's the real deal in the first place?
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liz3564 wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:But why?



It all goes back to the gospel principle of families being forever, and man and woman not being complete without each other.


Jersey Girl,

In short it’s religious dogma. It’s truth by assertion.

Your question: “But why?” implies a rational, logical, reasoned answer.

Religion does not rely on logic, rationality, or reason. It declares truth.

JAK
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Post by _Tarski »

asbestosman wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Boaz & Lidia wrote:
BCSpace wrote:Since plural marriage exists, there will obviously be more women in the highest degree than men. Perhaps it's not a matter of need to populate and more of a need to be married.
Pure speculation. How do you know this?


Visions of eternity. You wouldn't know. Crappy members don't get the angelic guided tour.


So is BCSpace correct then? Are you saying that you have personally seen that there are more women than men in the highest degree?

Having read many of Nehor's posts I have no doubt that he has visions of heavenly women. He wants lots of them, fantasy women, the kind that show up in the visions and dreams of young sexually deprived men with over active imaginations. Didn't one start a religion once? :)
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie

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Post by _Jersey Girl »

liz3564 wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:But why?



It all goes back to the gospel principle of families being forever, and man and woman not being complete without each other.


Liz,
That sounds good "on paper" as they say, but we're not talking about a man and a woman. We're talking about a man and multiple women.
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