There were more Males than Females.

[_TygerFang]

men and woman have equal sex drives, woman just aren't really allowed to express it as much as men are. Consider the fact that when a man sleeps with a lot of women he's considered a 'stud' or a 'player', but when a woman sleeps with a lot of men she's a whore and a slut.

[_asbestosman]

I'd like to hear one, just one, good explanation as to why polygamy is necessary for exaltation, other than something like "because God says so." For all you polygamy apologists out there, please explain this by appealing to an actual rationale.

I'd also like one good explanation as to why Jesus needed to die for our sins other than "becaue God said so", but that doesn't mean that any such reasons exist nor does that mean that God's command isn't sufficient.

[sarcasm]And you know the truth. I obviously don't really love my wife since I don't see why polygamy is inherently wrong--even if I can see why polygamy would be problematic for me and others. No, that fact that I'm not HORRIFIED by polygamy and don't demonize it as being as inherently wrong as child abuse proves that I don't have a deep love for my wife and that I consider myself nothing more than a sperm donor.[/sarcasm]

[_truth dancer]

[sarcasm]And you know the truth. I obviously don't really love my wife since I don't see why polygamy is inherently wrong--even if I can see why polygamy would be problematic for me and others. No, that fact that I'm not HORRIFIED by polygamy and don't demonize it as being as inherently wrong as child abuse proves that I don't have a deep love for my wife and that I consider myself nothing more than a sperm donor.[/sarcasm]

I'm not trying to judge you or your relationship but I really do wonder about men who could care less about the needs of their wives.

I just don't get it. I really don't. Most decent men who love their wives truly care about them and want their happiness, enjoy the emotional connection and compassion, and wouldn't hurt their relationship by sleeping with other women and destroying their relationship.

I do find it odd when men claim to love their wives but think nothing of screwing other women while their wives sit by and get screwed in other ways.

They are fine with having sex with ten women so long as their wives ONLY have sex with them. So what if their wives, rather than sex a couple times a week are lucky to get lucky a handful of times a year; Rather than have a loving partner they are left with an occasional interaction; rather than an intimate bond they get a neighborly friend.

I just don't get it. I really don't.

I do think it is like parents who claim to love their children while physical and emotionally abusing them... the two don't go together. They just don't.

~dancer~

[_asbestosman]

I just don't get it. I really don't. Most decent men who love their wives truly care about them and want their happiness, enjoy the emotional connection and compassion, and wouldn't hurt their relationship by sleeping with other women and destroying their relationship.

I would never sleep around. Ever. I was a virgin on my wedding night too. I care deeply about how my wife gets hurt even with inherently innocent things like tickling. Polygamy may not be inherently innocent, but I do not see why it is as inherently wrong as child abuse.

We [TruthDancer and I] are simply unable to communicate on this point so I will drop it. The things I hope she understands, though, is that I do all I can to avoid breaking my wife's heart and while I can certainly do more at helping her be happy, I do many things and she feels quite happy with me. Also, I do not look forward to polygamy.

For those who believe in an afterlife, do you think that death is the end of marriage? If not, is it wrong to remarry after the death of one's spouse? Interestingly this hit me as a newlywed. I am jealous type. I was afraid that either I or she might soon die and that if the one remarried that we wouldn't really be together (or we'd be in a awkward situation). I selfishly hoped for no remarriage--believing that even keeping it to civil marriage wouldn't be enough since then God would probably at least keep any couple together who was righteous, loved each other, and had children. It was seriously my biggest newlywed nightmare.

[_Moniker]

About sex drive. I read an article recently that found that women, in committed relationships, substantially lost their sex drive and men's stayed precisely the same.

[_Yoda]

About sex drive. I read an article recently that found that women, in committed relationships, substantially lost their sex drive and men's stayed precisely the same.

I'm curious. Which study was this?

Was there any correlation between the women and whether or not they had had children?

I know from my own experience that hormones go nuts after you have kids, and there is usually a low period where you don't have quite as much drive.

I think that most women over 40 (married and unmarried)can tell you, though, that sex drive tends to increase. LOL

[_truth dancer]

Hi Abman,

I'm not trying to be offensive or disrespectful, I just truly do not get it.

I really do not understand how a man can love his wife and value his marriage and think nothing of sleeping around, "marrying" other girls and women, and breaking the heart of his wife. (I'm not saying you are in this category).

The fact that so many LDS men are willing to destroy their marriages and break the hearts of their wives, so they can participate in polygamy astounds me. It really, truly does.

You say you don't think polygamy is necessarily a bad thing... do you at least realize that a wife gets totally screwed (not in the sexual sense) in this system?

These men (I'm not saying you), don't seem to care that while they get their fantasy (or whatever), the women are left with basically nothing, and yet they are all find and dandy with it.

I do not understand this.

It makes NO sense to me.

~dancer~

One more thing... I totally understand that polygamy is ont for you and I'm quite sure you love your wife. :-)

I was just trying to point out that I do not believe guys that are waiting for the day, really love their wives all that much. If they did, they wouldn't think of harming them or destroying their relationship. They would have some compassion and concern for their welfare and happiness.

[_guy sajer]

I'd like to hear one, just one, good explanation as to why polygamy is necessary for exaltation, other than something like "because God says so." For all you polygamy apologists out there, please explain this by appealing to an actual rationale.

I'd also like one good explanation as to why Jesus needed to die for our sins other than "becaue God said so", but that doesn't mean that any such reasons exist nor does that mean that God's command isn't sufficient.

And I too would like to hear one, just one, good explanation as to why Jesus had to die for our sins, or why, more generally an atonement was necessary. I see nothing, absolutely nothing, that makes the rationale self-evident in any sense. Ok, so Jesus had to die for our sins so we could return to live with our heavenly father. Why? Please explain it to me Abman. Why couldn't we be saved without Jesus? Why couldn't a loving father just welcome us back? That's what an earthly loving father would do. I, and I doubt you, would require someone to sacrifice their life for your 'wayward' children to return home.

So, what of it? I'd love to hear the reason.

[sarcasm]And you know the truth. I obviously don't really love my wife since I don't see why polygamy is inherently wrong--even if I can see why polygamy would be problematic for me and others. No, that fact that I'm not HORRIFIED by polygamy and don't demonize it as being as inherently wrong as child abuse proves that I don't have a deep love for my wife and that I consider myself nothing more than a sperm donor.[/sarcasm]

Is this directed at me? Where have I ever implied that one could not love his spouse because he doesn't see polygamy as inherently wrong?

I do, however wonder why you would have no moral qualms about treating women like property and/or giving up your teenage daughter to some middle age or older man to be one of his multiple wives. You strike me as an otherwise decent person, so you unwillingness to see this for what it is strikes me as odd.

As a general issue, do you believe treating women like property is morally ok?

If not, then how do you justify in the context of polygamy?

If yes, why do you think it's ok?

[_Moniker]

About sex drive. I read an article recently that found that women, in committed relationships, substantially lost their sex drive and men's stayed precisely the same.

I'm curious. Which study was this?

I don't remember. Take my memory and reading it once for what you will! :)

Was there any correlation between the women and whether or not they had had children?

No. It was talking about sex drives in relationships that are committed -- there was no talk of children.

I know from my own experience that hormones go nuts after you have kids, and there is usually a low period where you don't have quite as much drive.

I know exhaustion played a role in that, for me, yet, after child birth I recall being irritated that I had to wait 6 weeks, or whatever it was.

I think that most women over 40 (married and unmarried)can tell you, though, that sex drive tends to increase. LOL

Well, I know plenty of women that don't desire to have sex at all. I suppose it just depends on who you talk to. :)

[_asbestosman]

Is this directed at me?

No, it was to Truth Dancer since she and I had been doing this on anohter thread too.

As a general issue, do you believe treating women like property is morally ok?

No, and for now I will leave it at that.