Latest Church 'statement' on gay marriage ....

[_silentkid]

The top six U.S. male serial killers were all gay, fearmongering, etc.

In Cameron's report, he claims that "The top six U.S. male serial killers were all gay", naming Donald Harvey (who killed 37 boys), John Wayne Gacy (who murdered 33), Patrick Kearney (32), Bruce Davis (27), the team of Dean Corll, Wayne Henley, and David Brooks (also, 27), and Juan Corona (who murdered 25). And yet there are numerous more prolific heterosexual serial killers, such as H.H. Holmes, who is believed to have murdered over 200 women; or Gary L Ridgway (The Green River Killer) who pleaded guilty to 48 counts of first degree murder, although it is believed he is responsible for more deaths than that; or even Ted Bundy who had admitted to murdering at least 30 girls, although his body count is likely much, much higher.

I can cut and paste too.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

The top six U.S. male serial killers were all gay, fearmongering, etc.

In Cameron's report, he claims that "The top six U.S. male serial killers were all gay", naming Donald Harvey (who killed 37 boys), John Wayne Gacy (who murdered 33), Patrick Kearney (32), Bruce Davis (27), the team of Dean Corll, Wayne Henley, and David Brooks (also, 27), and Juan Corona (who murdered 25). And yet there are numerous more prolific heterosexual serial killers, such as H.H. Holmes, who is believed to have murdered over 200 women; or Gary L Ridgway (The Green River Killer) who pleaded guilty to 48 counts of first degree murder, although it is believed he is responsible for more deaths than that; or even Ted Bundy who had admitted to murdering at least 30 girls, although his body count is likely much, much higher.

I can cut and paste too.

Under Nehor's reasoning, the MMM perpetrators were gay (and their polygamous ways just a front). ;)

[_The Nehor]

The top six U.S. male serial killers were all gay, fearmongering, etc.

In Cameron's report, he claims that "The top six U.S. male serial killers were all gay", naming Donald Harvey (who killed 37 boys), John Wayne Gacy (who murdered 33), Patrick Kearney (32), Bruce Davis (27), the team of Dean Corll, Wayne Henley, and David Brooks (also, 27), and Juan Corona (who murdered 25). And yet there are numerous more prolific heterosexual serial killers, such as H.H. Holmes, who is believed to have murdered over 200 women; or Gary L Ridgway (The Green River Killer) who pleaded guilty to 48 counts of first degree murder, although it is believed he is responsible for more deaths than that; or even Ted Bundy who had admitted to murdering at least 30 girls, although his body count is likely much, much higher.

I can cut and paste too.

I stand corrected. I tried to do a search to verify that report but it didn't pull up much of anything and I was rushed.

Oh, and Rollo, unless you're suggesting that the MMM was not an isolated incident and that they were all serial killers, you're an idiot. Come to think of it, if you suggest that you're still an idiot. Nice try at a derail though.

On further reading, I find that the violence claim (one I just found) is most likely unsupportable as it is difficult to contrast heterosexual vs. homosexual murder rates. Fair enough.

I'll stick with rampant STD infection and short life span. I think I might pull up some drug use stuff later but that can wait. Anyone want to contest those?

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Oh, and Rollo, unless you're suggesting that the MMM was not an isolated incident and that they were all serial killers, you're an idiot. Come to think of it, if you suggest that you're still an idiot. Nice try at a derail though.

I simply thought your bringing up violence by homosexuals (who were, in large part, pedophiles, and we all know that gay men don't have the corner on that market) was so absurd as to warrant an equally absurd response. My apologies.

[_antishock8]

Did you know all the suicide bombers in Iraq were raised by heterosexual couples? So. That's certainly a strike against us... Damn.

[_The Nehor]

Oh, and Rollo, unless you're suggesting that the MMM was not an isolated incident and that they were all serial killers, you're an idiot. Come to think of it, if you suggest that you're still an idiot. Nice try at a derail though.

I simply thought your bringing up violence by homosexuals (who were, in large part, pedophiles, and we all know that gay men don't have the corner on that market) was so absurd as to warrant an equally absurd response. My apologies.

They may not have a corner on the market but let's look at the statistics:

Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children.

They're more likely to be. Considering that less then 5% of the male population is homosexual or bisexual they make up a larger proportion of pedophiles then the general population. This of course does not mean that it is exclusively tied to homosexuality.

[_antishock8]

So, ah, do you consider rape to be a sexually deviant act?

[_The Nehor]

Did you know all the suicide bombers in Iraq were raised by heterosexual couples? So. That's certainly a strike against us... Damn.

Wow, with that insightful and poignant comment I will have to throw in the towel. You win. This shows that heterosexuals raise violent children.....oh, can you support this with....facts, studies, etc. or are you just making this up? You should also check to see if the bombers were repressed gay men who decided to commit suicide in an unorthodox way in hopes of getting 72 young virgin boys in heaven.

[_The Nehor]

So, ah, do you consider rape to be a sexually deviant act?

Yes, I do.

[_Jason Bourne]

The right to marry was deemed a fundamental consitutional right long ago, and, of course, equal protection under the law has been around even longer.

Where in the constitution is the right outlined? Or what SC decision discusses this?

The problem with the quote you parse is they go on to explain for example that school curriculum would have to be modified in such a way to promote or remain neutral at least about what marriage is and should be.

Red herring. I don't recall ever being taught in school "what marriage is and should be."

Any text you had in school refers to a mother and father or husband and wife. Now such texts could be revised to say a man and man, woman and woman, two dads, two moms. This is hardly a red herring.

Also there is valid concern that same sex marriage recognition could be forced on Church's that oppose such marriages.

Another red herring. Rest assured the Church can continue to discriminate against gays to its heart's delight. The Church discriminated against blacks long after passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Church continues to discriminate against women to this day. Don't worry, the Church's various 'isms' are safe and sound.

The Church was pressured over the black issue and that I believe played into the change. Certainly any church that refuses to recognize same sex marriage could lose tax exemption and other rights as well. The Church was disenfranchised over polygamy. Same could happen again.

Really I struggle with this issue but I believe a religion has a right to its doctrine and practices as long as they do not threaten treason or bring physical harm to others-or commit other criminal acts. Personally I think calling the Church's position discrimination is wrong. It seems as discriminatory as you think they are.