BKP says Joseph Smith never convicted of a crime. True?

[_harmony]

Since I don't know what Elder Hales knows about Church history generally, I can't speak for him.

He's an apostle. If he doesn't know church history, what the holy moses is he doing sitting in that chair???

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Since I don't know what Elder Hales knows about Church history generally, I can't speak for him.

He's an apostle. If he doesn't know church history, what the holy moses is he doing sitting in that chair???

Apostles don't know everything, and I certainly don't expect them to. See Kierkegaard's difference between a genius and an apostle. A good read.

[_harmony]

Apostles don't know everything, and I certainly don't expect them to.

Then he'd best not be talking about that which he knows not. Otherwise people will start to wonder about just whose mouthpiece he is.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Apostles don't know everything, and I certainly don't expect them to.

Then he'd best not be talking about that which he knows not. Otherwise people will start to wonder about just whose mouthpiece he is.

Do you believe he is an apostle of the Lord? How about you, mms?

[_harmony]

Do you believe he is an apostle of the Lord? How about you, mms?

I sustain him; belief has nothing to do with it. Most of the time, I just wish he and the rest of our leaders would actually do their homework.

He's the one who will have to stand at the Judgment Bar and hear how he was unprepared for the duties of his calling, if he can't find the time to actually learn the history of the church.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Do you believe he is an apostle of the Lord? How about you, mms?

I sustain him; belief has nothing to do with it. Most of the time, I just wish he and the rest of our leaders would actually do their homework.

He's the one who will have to stand at the Judgment Bar and hear how he was unprepared for the duties of his calling, if he can't find the time to actually learn the history of the church.

How do you sustain him? What do you mean?

[_harmony]

How do you sustain him? What do you mean?

That means that, on the rare occasion when he's acting as an apostle, I accept him as such. And yes, I get to be the one who decides if he's acting as an apostle or a man. It's called personal revelation and I use it all the time.

And if a leader of the church doesn't know the history of the church, then he will have to answer for that lack.

[_mms]

Do you believe he is an apostle of the Lord? How about you, mms?

Jury's still out for me on that one. LOAP, you've been around since I started on these boards--even from the time I was attacked by your friends over at MAAD for being a doubting High Priest (told that I would spend an "eternity in hell"). You watched without comment most of the time -- occasionally piled on and maybe even once tried to stop your friends from embarrassing themselves with their hate after I asked you how you could simply stand by and watch. Of course, now we know that "the devil laugh[ed]" (as Elder Hales said this past weekend) when they were doing it and laughed even harder when all you saints (including DCP, and all the others) stood on the sidelines as the appointed folks (Pahoran and Selek, et al.) attempted to push the latest doubter out of the Church. But I digress. Just as then, I continue to see examples of the highest authorities making mistatements of fact that mislead the masses. There is such a pattern of this, that it is hard to believe it is unintentional. And if it is intentional, I have trouble believing one is acting as an Apostle of Jesus Christ when doing so. I am particularly sensitive to the whitewashing because I believe this practice was part of why my whole world was turned upside down when I began to learn the actual history.

[_Inconceivable]

Never Convicted = clean record. period.

Good grief, that's your litmus test?

So we might consider looking down upon a dirtbag's antisocial behavior when he 1) gets caught and 2) gets convicted? That even depends though, doesn't it? Huh? What is a secret combination? I'm not going to sell my soul to join that club.

If I were still Mormon and speaking to another Mormon, I could say, "Joseph Smith is a friend of ours".

Anyone understand what I'm saying here?

The Book of Mormon betrays Smith in so many ways.

[_TAK]

If many were legitimate we could expect many convictions, no?

Not if he fled prosecution -
The fact he escaped is telling that he believed he could not have beaten that charges.