BIG UP!

[_The Dude]

Nephi, Will Schriver, Lamanite... three model Mormon meltdowns.

Who is next?

[_Scottie]

I think Gramps was simply pointing out inconsistencies.

So given a choice between relative freedom and tyranny, you'd take tyranny. Given a choice between relative freedom and oppression, you'd take oppression.

Good to know.

And please don't say MAD doesn't represent tyranny and oppression. I've been there. I've seen it for myself.

Tyranny is only tyranny if you're on the wrong side.

[_Yong Xi]

Nephi, Will Schriver, Lamanite... three model Mormon meltdowns.

Who is next?

I'm placing my money on Glen Beck.

[_Yong Xi]

My pride makes this difficult to do, especially since I don't want it to seem like I'm reacting to Gramps' threat of Government retaliation. In all actuality it's my religion that prescribes apologies and sincere repentance.

To those whom I've frightened; I'm deeply sorry. I'm not that person anymore. To those who've perceived a threat of violence I'm sorry, my mouth moves faster than my good sense.

I am a happy family man now with a decent living. I love and serve those around me. But today I allowed myself to lose track of who and what I stand for.

PM me if there is something I can do to make amends. Just tell me what I can do to make it right. Much Love!


Big UP!

Sione

Methinks the gig is UP!

[_gramps]

Lamanite,

You still haven't said who edited that post. Let me know. If it wasn't you, find out which moderator did it.

LOAP,

You, as is typical of young Mormon apologists, have no discriminating abilities. You look really stupid supporting this guy. Run quick, before he pulls you in to something you shouldn't be involved in. Seriously, if he loses his temper in the wrong place at the wrong time, he will be in jail for a long time. You don't want to be a part of this.

This is a guy with a serious criminal record, beats men in front of his kids, who has threatened me personally several times in this short thread, and now even warns the FBI that they should be careful.

And you seem to be in support of his behavior.

I wasn't joking at all. Seriously, I wouldn't align yourself with him now or ever, but do as you wish. It just makes you look even more foolish supporting this guy.

Again, Lamanite, who edited the post? (cool, I am having a deja vu right now).

Oh, and I don't give a rat's a## about your pride.

[_Jersey Girl]

I couldn't help but notice that threats of physical violence were vibrating out of this thread.

If I were you, Shades, this is one poster (Lamanite) I would totally block from the board.

That's rich. Character smears are fine though.

Your comment seem to imply that I think character smears are fine.

Why do you say that?

[_LifeOnaPlate]

One more thing, for Jersey Girl.

That's rich. Character smears are fine though.

Your comment seem to imply that I think character smears are fine.

Why do you say that?

I say the thread by gramps was a good example of tabloid message boarding. So while you castigate the angry pit bull, so to speak, you overlook the one rattling the cage. Unfortunate, that. While I don't think it cool for Lamanite to blow a gasket I also find it just as uncool for threads like this to exist in the first place.

But that is just one guy's opinion, anyway. Take care.

gramps,

Thank you for the kindly advice (and veiled insults thrown Lamanite's way). As noted above, I certainly don't find Lamanite's fits of temper appealing, I don't care for them, I find them unfortunate. I don't like it and I think it reflects poorly on him.

That said, I have seen the sort of verbal aggression, taunting, smearing, whining, annoying, etc. done by members of the board towards Lamanite, so I don't find his anger unprovoked in any sense. It seems rather that he takes what people are saying here seriously, which can be problematic online where you have any countless number of cowards willing to run their mouths behind the privacy of a fake screen name.

So, with that in mind, I hope you can understand why I think your very solemn advice is misplaced. I've met Lamanite. We have become friends. Now, you know as well as I do that one need not agree with everything a friend does or says. (Or maybe you don't know about that, for all I know.) But from personal experience, in the flesh, I believe Lamanite is a very good man. He is a great father and a great husband. I have seen him in such situations. So he will remain my good friend, despite shortcomings. I certainly have plenty of my own.

Perhaps my participation on the board started off on the wrong foot, where I essentially made toss-off remarks and fooled about. From there I became more serious, but sometimes was much too snarky. When I have tried to engage in good discussion with people of different opinions I have generally found a few people willing to jump in and call names, mock, ridicule, and generally disrupt good conversation. On occasion I have answered in kind, or done so myself. Unfortunately it can be difficult to "rebuild" a reputation on a forum like this, but even when one attempts to be less argumentative one is accused of "running away."

So to any here on the board I have insulted, or otherwise hurt in anyway, I do sincerely apologize. I hope you will accept the apology. That includes everyone here. While I may not agree I have no excuse for acting disagreeable. I wish everyone here the best, and take my leave. I may pop in once in a while to say hello, or to provide a link or source here and there. If anyone wants to find me I'll probably chime in on the MAD board much more often, and of course I can always be reached through my website.

Take care, everyone. And in the immortal words of Bill and Ted, "Be excellent to each other."

[_gramps]

LOAP wrote:

Thank you for the kindly advice (and veiled insults thrown Lamanite's way). As noted above, I certainly don't find Lamanite's fits of temper appealing, I don't care for them, I find them unfortunate. I don't like it and I think it reflects poorly on him.

I don't take that as a thank you, if you add those parentheticals, LOAP. Fits of temper? That is what a child does in the grocery store when Mom won't buy them any chocolate. Again, you are showing your inability to discriminate the serious from the non-serious. I truly think that the conditioning aspect to Mormonism plays a large part in this inability.

That said, I have seen the sort of verbal aggression, taunting, smearing, whining, annoying, etc. done by members of the board towards Lamanite, so I don't find his anger unprovoked in any sense. It seems rather that he takes what people are saying here seriously, which can be problematic online where you have any countless number of cowards willing to run their mouths behind the privacy of a fake screen name.

That is not an excuse. He got caught saying he doesn't threaten anyone, except on this board and blamed either the board or the posters. That wasn't true. He threatens people on the MADness board, as well. That is too bad if he doesn't like his words quoted to show he is two-faced. He should have edited them then a long time before today/yesterday.

So, with that in mind, I hope you can understand why I think your very solemn advice is misplaced. I've met Lamanite. We have become friends. Now, you know as well as I do that one need not agree with everything a friend does or says. (Or maybe you don't know about that, for all I know.) But from personal experience, in the flesh, I believe Lamanite is a very good man. He is a great father and a great husband. I have seen him in such situations. So he will remain my good friend, despite shortcomings. I certainly have plenty of my own.

LOAP, he admitted beating several men to a pulp in front of his kids. You can hang out with people like that all you want. I don't care what you do, LOAP. Knock yourself out.

And, given his tendencies, privacy is the best course of action, now, don't you think?

Perhaps my participation on the board started off on the wrong foot, where I essentially made toss-off remarks and fooled about. From there I became more serious, but sometimes was much too snarky. When I have tried to engage in good discussion with people of different opinions I have generally found a few people willing to jump in and call names, mock, ridicule, and generally disrupt good conversation. On occasion I have answered in kind, or done so myself. Unfortunately it can be difficult to "rebuild" a reputation on a forum like this, but even when one attempts to be less argumentative one is accused of "running away."

I was happy to have gone through that book with you, or at least the essays I could find, but you refused. Call it whatever you want. I appreciate what you are trying to say in the above paragraph, however.

So to any here on the board I have insulted, or otherwise hurt in anyway, I do sincerely apologize. I hope you will accept the apology. That includes everyone here. While I may not agree I have no excuse for acting disagreeable. I wish everyone here the best, and take my leave. I may pop in once in a while to say hello, or to provide a link or source here and there. If anyone wants to find me I'll probably chime in on the MAD board much more often, and of course I can always be reached through my website.

Thanks. I like your website actually and am following along. Good luck with that.

[_gramps]

Oh, and LOAP!

Let's get one thing clear.

Lamanite smeared his own character. No one did that to him. He handled that nicely all by himself. He has no excuse. Period.

[_Lamanite]

Thank you for the kindly advice (and veiled insults thrown Lamanite's way). As noted above, I certainly don't find Lamanite's fits of temper appealing, I don't care for them, I find them unfortunate. I don't like it and I think it reflects poorly on him.

LOAP, "poorly" is a euphemism for my behavior. It's damned embarrassing is what it is. But I keep trying. Trying to be better today than I was yesterday. A lot of the time I succeed. Today, I didn't.

And I can say with pride and certainty that I am a good husband, and an amazing father. And if you look at my Christmas pic's you'll find I can make a mean nutter butter reindeer. Ask LOAP, he loved em! Go to my family website and you will see a better version of me; at least its better than the ugly person who showed up here on this thread.

To clear the record, I finally understand the point gramps was trying to make. And he is correct.

Also, the only altercation I have engaged in, during the last 11 years. (since my conversion) has been when my kids or wife have been in imminent danger. And because I was protecting their safety, they were there to witness it.

Finally, I don't know who edited the post but it wasn't me.

To Scottie, Ray, cinepro, thanks for the dialogue, I'm sure I'll see two of the three at MDB. Ray, I'll see you on Facebook. Go ALL BLACKS! Big UP!

So like LOAP, I bid you adieu! (pun intended)