Begging for missionaries

[_cinepro]

There is no real return an any invested assets. Only as long as more people can be scammed into putting more money in will the scheme be able to pay money out.

Actually, people can make money on a ponzi scheme by taking their money out before the scheme collapses. If they have enough discipline to do that, they will make a real return.

The reason the scheme works is because very few people will make the choice to withdraw their money when they can leave it in and make even more money.

The biggest difference between the Church and a ponzi scheme is that you can take your money and leave a ponzi scheme (before it collapses). With the Church, you're "all in", and if you decide to leave, you lose everything.

[_DarkHelmet]

One thing that has always amazed me is that they can get free workers, for the Church's huge Florida cattle ranch, via a mission call.

If you look at the church available mission postings, they get a lot of free labor via a mission call. I predict with the economic crunch, more and more paying jobs for the church will turn into mission callings.

[_DarkHelmet]

Last week in sac Marjorie Taylor-Greene, the HC rep discussed "the Lord's financial plan."

He talked about the need to follow it, how it is inspired and given to the prophet; He talked about how it is the way to deal with the current crisis. I whispered to my DH, "what is he talking about" thinking I may have missed something since I do not go to church all that often.

Then the HC rep explained, "What is the Lord's financial plan? Tithing."

If you pay your tithing you won't have a problem during this economic crisis we currently face.

People being laid off, families losing their homes, parents unable to find jobs, and the advice from above... pay your tithing.



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Interestingly the nationally known get out of debt guru Dave Ramsey see http://www.daveramsey.com also advises to pay tithing.

Of course Ramsey is an evangelical Christian as well do his thinking must be distorted.

I checked his website but didn't see his tithing advice. Does he suggest that you pay 10% of your income to him, or to any church? Financial advisors may tell you to pay 10% of your income to a charity, but I get suspicious when they tell you to pay 10% to them.

[_Jason Bourne]

I checked his website but didn't see his tithing advice. Does he suggest that you pay 10% of your income to him, or to any church? Financial advisors may tell you to pay 10% of your income to a charity, but I get suspicious when they tell you to pay 10% to them.

He advises 10% to your church or if not a church then to charity.

http://www.daveramsey.com/etc/cms/giving_5089.htmlc

[_harmony]

He advises 10% to your church or if not a church then to charity.

Does he advise to pay 10% to charity if you can't pay your mortgage?

[_JoetheClerk]

Many of the ponzi scheme types and con artists in the LDS community pay tithing. It is part of their scam and is very useful in fleecing the greedy members who believe their promises of out of this world returns on their money.
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Mr. Bourne again, I did not say LDS conference talks had anything to do with this fleecing. Do some checking in the financial section of Utahs newspapers and you will find many accounts of this type of investment scheme. Latest big one is from Ogden with a 'good' member fleecing around $300 million from greedy fellow members.

Joseph Smith did this with his Kirtland anti-bank. By any definition showing a vault filled with chests of money where the only real money was the top layer is fraud. The chests had a top layer of coin and underneath was filler of various types. Those who got into the bank early and cashed out quickly made money. The rest all lost. This is criminal behavior of a high level. Using ones Church calling, LDS or any other religion, to get fellow members to invest in your scheme is dirty as it gets. It would not be possible if the 'fellow members' weren't looking for too good to be true returns on their money.

There is good reason the FBI refers to Utah as The Fraud Capitol of the US.

If you need more references, get of your dead ass and look them up. I'll go back to my work now. Not everyone is like you and visiting these boards every 20 minutes to see if they are once again the center of attention.

[_harmony]

I'll go back to my work now. Not everyone is like you and visiting these boards every 20 minutes to see if they are once again the center of attention.

It's Sunday, Joe. Not everyone is as unlucky as you and has to work. Some of us actually get the weekend off and we can play on the boards as much as we want.

[_cinepro]

Sadly, this case is making the headlines in Sacramento:

Folsom Ponzi Scheme Targeted Mormons

It's been a bad month for Sacramento-area LDS.

[_Jason Bourne]

He advises 10% to your church or if not a church then to charity.

Does he advise to pay 10% to charity if you can't pay your mortgage?

I am not sure to be honest. I have never heard a caller that has put it quite that way.

[_Jason Bourne]

Mr. Bourne again, I did not say LDS conference talks had anything to do with this fleecing. Do some checking in the financial section of Utahs newspapers and you will find many accounts of this type of investment scheme. Latest big one is from Ogden with a 'good' member fleecing around $300 million from greedy fellow members.

You strongly inferred that the LDS Church encourages contemptible behavior like this.

. This is criminal behavior of a high level. Using ones Church calling, LDS or any other religion, to get fellow members to invest in your scheme is dirty as it gets. It would not be possible if the 'fellow members' weren't looking for too good to be true returns on their money.

LDS people tend to be trusting and even more so of those in their community. Just because a few scum take advantage of this does not make all LDS bad nor the idea of tithing bad either. If crooks tithe the the money to appear righteous that just means they are more scummy than other cons are.

So this taints the LDS Church just how.

If you need more references, get of your dead ass and look them up.

And why don't you kiss mine? I was not the one that made the dumb ass claim. Put you money where your mouth is or shut it.

I'll go back to my work now. Not everyone is like you and visiting these boards every 20 minutes to see if they are once again the center of attention.

You have a real obsession with how much time someone posts here. Get over it jack ass.