West Ridge Academy Missionaries Tutor With Love

[_rcrocket]

Would someone mind making a brief list of the abusive behavioral controls that are allegedly employed at Westridge?

As alleged, they are disgusting and not pretty.

The point of my entire exercise here is not to defend Westridge.

But are you board members just willing to accept Goodk's description at face value? If you were in charge of the state's CPS, or the Governor, would you issue an executive order shutting down the facility on the pure weight of Goodk's website alone? Most of you here, Marg especially (who really doesn't want to answer the question, fearful of being cornered), would just junk the place.

Remember, GoodK's core story is that he was shipped off there because he refused to attend seminary? What Mormon couple with children they love would really do such a thing? Don't you see problems -- any problems -- with GoodK's story? No reports? No state investigations?

[_karl61]

here: may be we can see what was the problem for other places.

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/mar/11/local/me-mac11

[_Ray A]

Don't you see problems -- any problems -- with GoodK's story? No reports? No state investigations?

That's the whole point of what Eric is doing. People are starting to take notice: The Atlantic.

And Wiki is now referring to UBR as the controversial UBR.

Being a lawyer, Bob, don't you think you have a duty to hear all of the evidence before making judgements?

Do you think this is going to happen overnight?

Edit: I understand that anyone can edit Wiki, so anyone wanting to challenge the claims can edit it.

[_Jersey Girl]

Would someone mind making a brief list of the abusive behavioral controls that are allegedly employed at Westridge?

As alleged, they are disgusting and not pretty.

The point of my entire exercise here is not to defend Westridge.

But are you board members just willing to accept Goodk's description at face value? If you were in charge of the state's CPS, or the Governor, would you issue an executive order shutting down the facility on the pure weight of Goodk's website alone? Most of you here, Marg especially (who really doesn't want to answer the question, fearful of being cornered), would just junk the place.

Remember, GoodK's core story is that he was shipped off there because he refused to attend seminary? What Mormon couple with children they love would really do such a thing? Don't you see problems -- any problems -- with GoodK's story? No reports? No state investigations?

Look, crock. Can we talk? Yer pissin' me off, crock. I asked for a brief list of abusive behavior controls.

A list.

A brief list.

Anyone who knows me knows what I'm going to do with the list. But not you, crock.

Not you.

Please give me a brief list.

Which is what I flippin' asked for.

[_rcrocket]

Don't you see problems -- any problems -- with GoodK's story? No reports? No state investigations?

That's the whole point of what Eric is doing. People are starting to take notice: The Atlantic.

And Wiki is now referring to UBR as the controversial UBR.

Being a lawyer, Bob, don't you think you have a duty to hear all of the evidence before making judgements?

Do you think this is going to happen overnight?

Edit: I understand that anyone can edit Wiki, so anyone wanting to challenge the claims can edit it.

Just because I am questioning it does not mean I am not closing my ears to the story. But I question GoodK as a correspondent, as one capable of telling an accurate story. I question those who clamor to his defense on this board with no questions asked.

[_Ray A]

Just because I am questioning it does not mean I am not closing my ears to the story. But I question GoodK as a correspondent, as one capable of telling an accurate story. I question those who clamor to his defense on this board with no questions asked.

I have been doing a lot of background reading/questioning, and I also helped Eric with his first article. I've also been examining UBR's claims, and within their own website is evidence of the strong potential for abuse.

I might address this more later, but for now I need to do some shopping to upgrade my one week's supply of home storage.

[_marg]

But are you board members just willing to accept Goodk's description at face value? If you were in charge of the state's CPS, or the Governor, would you issue an executive order shutting down the facility on the pure weight of Goodk's website alone? Most of you here, Marg especially (who really doesn't want to answer the question, fearful of being cornered), would just junk the place.

Bob, I've answered your questions, it is you who doesn't address what I write.

The school is a private school for kids with soft to moderate behavioral problems, according to it's website. As T.D. pointed out sending kids to an institution states away from home, for years for soft to moderate behavioral issues is excessive. But who determines whether there are in fact even any behavioral issues. The school and parents should not be the ones assessing the kids. It should be an independent professional such as a psychiatrist. I've made this comment previously and you've ignored this point.

Remember, GoodK's core story is that he was shipped off there because he refused to attend seminary?

His story is that he was abductedby strangers to him. He had no idea before hand, no discussion. Since the step dad made the decision and not Eric, Eric isn't is the position to know exactly what was going through his step dad's mind. But it wasn't discussed before hand between them.

What Mormon couple with children they love would really do such a thing?

He's a step dad. I personally have my doubts about any love for Eric. When I first told my husband about Eric being sent away to a program and I didn't get into how abusive it was, my husband's reaction immediately was the step dad wanted to get rid of him. And I concur with that. That is my impression. No parent sends a mildly rebellious teen away for over 2 years to correct the mild rebellion.

Don't you see problems -- any problems -- with GoodK's story? No reports? No state investigations?

Let's see ..the facts are he was sent 2 states away for 2 years. You tell me what would justify that.

[_karl61]

I can't believe the LDS church sends missionaries to a place that does that snatch and grab scene. I heard about that before. It seems a child could experience severe trauma just from the fact that for hours they could think that they are the victim of a crime and not knowing if they are going to live through it. It sounds bad. I would really like to see how they train people for that - if the legislature needs to get involved in something like that. I know that if a bank robber moves a bank teller from one section of the bank to another section of the bank they are charged with kidnapping. It would really be interesting to see the policy on how this is done and why it is justified. Did it work - no! The person who was taken has bascially delcared war on this place.

[_Inconceivable]

Crock,

I would submit that each of the cases you've referred to have at least one parent that sucks.

Many parents of unruly, antisocial children are just too proud, arrogant and unteachable to be effective providers. They would prefer to shirk the responsibility of their children's development to others. Others they may not even know.

A dog obedience school never reformed a bad dog owner, neither do their children's gulags.

Hillary is wrong, it doesn't necessarilly take a villiage when parents are willing to step up.

Where in the hell is the headline, "Parents Tutor With Love". Why not? Because many just don't know how.

Until the paradigm shifts the blame toward poor or non existing effective parenting skills, these gulags will flourish. These places bandage uncleaned wounds. What a madness to separate children from their parents during their most formative years.

It's time parents were called on missions to minister to their own children.

[_msnobody]

There is no excuse to send a kid away from their support group of friends and family for 2 years at the whim of a parent/step parent, with no professional assessment to verify it's warranted.

Every boot camp I've ever seen has professionals on staff; these things cost $30K a year for the parents.

"Whim" is assuming a lot.

So, I guess I am reading your post to say that the dozens to hundreds of private boot camps in the United States have no place in dealing with children and should be shut down. (I wonder why and how they get their licenses from the state to operate as such -- a mystery. I guess your internet scholarship should answer that somehow.)

Many of these places don't have a license. Plus, in reading another post you made, sometimes these kids leave these behavior modification facilities dead.