Controversial article on Mormons and torture

[_JohnStuartMill]

For the record, I'm not categorically opposed to torture; I just doubt your philosophic acumen, and find your high-minded strutting hilarious.

[_Kishkumen]

If you actually have some philosophically substantive and logically coherent argument against waterboarding, why don't you state it, as opposed to the snarky stalling for time and bandwidth that is your modus operandi on most threads?

If I had started a thread on that particular topic, and actually wanted to discuss it with you, then we might proceed on that basis, but since I did not, and do not, then I feel no sense of obligation to discuss that topic with you.

I started this thread, Drippy, because I was interested in the charges that were being aimed at Mormons as particularly apt facilitators of torture. I did not post it to engage in a discussion of the definition of torture or whether torture was justifiable under particular circumstance.

That neither you nor your ideologically conjoined twin bcspace were able to divine this without me explicitly spelling it out for you suggests to me that whatever education you pretend to has yet to improve your reading comprehension skills. The same goes for your twin.

[_Droopy]

For the record, I'm not categorically opposed to torture; I just doubt your philosophic acumen, and find your high-minded strutting hilarious.

You are free to doubt it, but this may simply mean nothing more than that your understanding of what this means may be fairly limited.

"high-minded strutting"? Sorry if it appears that way. Its just that I have limited tolerance for poseurs and for those for whom a CNN town hall meeting passes for serious critical thought.

[_Droopy]

f I had started a thread on that particular topic, and actually wanted to discuss it with you, then we might proceed on that basis, but since I did not, and do not, then I feel no sense of obligation to discuss that topic with you.

White flag accepted...yet again.

I started this thread, Drippy, because I was interested in the charges that were being aimed at Mormons as particularly apt facilitators of torture.

What "torture"?

That neither you nor your ideologically conjoined twin bcspace were able to divine this without me explicitly spelling it out for you suggests to me that whatever education you pretend to has yet to improve your reading comprehension skills. The same goes for your twin.

As best I can see, all you've done is call names thus far.

We'll see.

[_Kishkumen]

White flag accepted...yet again.

Oh the wonderful fantasy world of Drippy's one-man, self-congratulation squad. Ignore reality. Congratulate yourself. Repeat as necessary.

What "torture"?

You don't have to settle that question to discuss the coupling of Mormons and torture. Think, Drippy, think. I bet even you can do it.

As best I can see, all you've done is call names thus far.

And you have yet to interpret the most basic English in this thread correctly. We shall see.

[_Droopy]

You don't have to settle that question to discuss the coupling of Mormons and torture. Think, Drippy, think. I bet even you can do it.

What our astute philosophical maestro has just asserted is that one does not have to define either the concept of torture, or whether torture, as defined, has even occurred, to couple Mormons to torture.

And Mr. Mill asks of me, why do I condescend...

[_Droopy]

I read a wide variety of websites. Even if I didn't, though, CNN and NPR are actually reputable news organizations, unlike the conspiracy theorist haven that you get your Kool-Aid from.

This is knee slapping hilarious. NPR and...uh...CNN (???) haven't been reputable or trustworthy news organizations for decades (if CNN ever was).

Mr. Mill has now shown that he is simply not intellectually serious about the world or his own place in it.

[_Kishkumen]

What our astute philosophical maestro has just asserted is that one does not have to define either the concept of torture, or whether torture, as defined, has even occurred, to couple Mormons to torture.

Just when I think you couldn't get any stupider, you tell me that I am setting out to couple Mormons to torture. Earth to moron: I posted this article to discuss the author's argument that Mormons bear a special responsibility for and were particularly apt facilitators of torture.

If you weren't burdened by your own agenda and need to turn every conversation to it, then perhaps you would be able to catch onto this.

And Mr. Mill asks of me, why do I condescend...

Because it's your defensive mechanism when you look stupid.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Hello there, Rev. Kishkumen. I'd like to take this opportunity to urge you to read Droopy's "philosophical" tract arguing in favor of torture. Basically, his argument is that we should def. torture suspects because:

1. It might be able to get information out of them
2. We have to think about other people out there who are getting hurt, tortured, or whatever else. It terms of "values", we can't just allow this one guy to sit there!
3. Not torturing means that we aren't acting, and thus we'll be complicit in whatever acts of terror might transpire.

[_Kishkumen]

Hello there, Rev. Kishkumen. I'd like to take this opportunity to urge you to read Droopy's "philosophical" tract arguing in favor of torture. Basically, his argument is that we should def. torture suspects because:

1. It might be able to get information out of them
2. We have to think about other people out there who are getting hurt, tortured, or whatever else. It terms of "values", we can't just allow this one guy to sit there!
3. Not torturing means that we aren't acting, and thus we'll be complicit in whatever acts of terror might transpire.

Good Doctor,

Thanks for directing my attention to Drippy's freshman thesis. I am afraid that he is demonstrating the very things the author of this article asserted: that Mormons are indeed apt facilitators of torture. Drippy seems to have no problem at all with torture. I mean, here I was posing the question of whether this author's contentions had any merit (Are Mormons ideal for framing and carrying out torture?) because I thought this was problematic at best, and Drippy seems hellbent on proving the guy right. Go figure.

Rev. Kishkumen