LDS Nursery lessons changed because people were leaving?

[_Some Schmo]

Society frowns on parents beating their children and on slavery. Society is made up of... wait for it... parents and children, good, bad, and indifferent. Some people never become parents, but all people are children. So... the best way to determine what we should and shouldn't do, as parents, is to look at what society (made up of parents AND children) harbors as best (which would be... parents teach their children the values society values most... and religious values are right up there at the top).

So while you may think religion and religious teachings are detrimental, society doesn't agree with you. You might want to bone up on your sociology.

Seriously harmony, you might want to get that brain hemorrhage looked at. I've read some idiotic crap on this board, but this last post of yours has to be around the top of the list.

Society? What society? The world society? I didn't realize the entire world agreed on their values. I'm appalled!

You tried to make the claim that because we're still around, what we've done worked. Now you're saying something else...

F*ck it. I'm not going to name everything wrong with that post. You go ahead and think you're right all you want. You're not worth convincing otherwise. I might as well talk to a chicken for all the worthwhile conversation I'm going to get out of you.

*shakes head*

[_Sethbag]

The faithful look at it as "building testimonies in the young while they're still impressionable that will sustain them when they're older", the non-faithful see that as "indoctrinating young children while they're minds are still impressionable and before they have a chance to think critically about these things, making it that much harder to change their minds as adults".

I think the faithful should consider this when done by people of other faiths, and then apply their thoughts back on their own faith. If they would think it unfortunate if done by other people with their children, then some pretty hefty self-reflection is in order. I realize it's hard to break through the whole "but I'm right, so it's OK if I do it" mentality, but it needs to be attempted.

[_harmony]

The faithful look at it as "building testimonies in the young while they're still impressionable that will sustain them when they're older", the non-faithful see that as "indoctrinating young children while they're minds are still impressionable and before they have a chance to think critically about these things, making it that much harder to change their minds as adults".

I think the faithful should consider this when done by people of other faiths, and then apply their thoughts back on their own faith. If they would think it unfortunate if done by other people with their children, then some pretty hefty self-reflection is in order. I realize it's hard to break through the whole "but I'm right, so it's OK if I do it" mentality, but it needs to be attempted.

Why? And who says that parents of other faiths are bad parents because they teach their own children the values they (and society... with a nod to Schmo) hold in high esteem?

[_harmony]

Society? What society? The world society? I didn't realize the entire world agreed on their values. I'm appalled!

Open up a sociology textbook, Schmo. You might learn something.

The world's values? Things like a sense of family are pretty universal. Family ties, family heritage, family solidarity are pretty much valued world wide.

Did you think the "family values" that come up in the media and political circles are those pushed by atheists whose social agenda is far outside society's norm? Obviously the church pushes their own interpretation of "family values" and they start it when children are very young, but nonetheless, the church's concept of family values is not that far from the rest of American society or the rest of the world, for that matter. Just because you don't approve of the methods or the end product doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees with you.

And guess what... I'm not required to confine my comments to what you want to see. If I choose to move from one point to another and to another and another, you can either follow or bail, makes no difference to me. I'm not Liz; I don't find your antics here to be at all endearing. Discuss or not; no biggie to me either way.

[_Yoda]

The faithful look at it as "building testimonies in the young while they're still impressionable that will sustain them when they're older", the non-faithful see that as "indoctrinating young children while they're minds are still impressionable and before they have a chance to think critically about these things, making it that much harder to change their minds as adults".

I think the faithful should consider this when done by people of other faiths, and then apply their thoughts back on their own faith. If they would think it unfortunate if done by other people with their children, then some pretty hefty self-reflection is in order. I realize it's hard to break through the whole "but I'm right, so it's OK if I do it" mentality, but it needs to be attempted.

Why? And who says that parents of other faiths are bad parents because they teach their own children the values they (and society... with a nod to Schmo) hold in high esteem?

I agree with Harmony on this. I don't understand why someone would think there was anything appalling about taking their children to Church. There are many different faiths out there. What is wrong with teaching your child about your faith?

And I am baffled as to why you would think that Mormons would find this concept appalling. When you were Mormon, did you? I certainly don't.

[_moksha]

I was in the nursery for many years, ...

For many it is only from 18 months to age three for a total of less than two years.

[_Some Schmo]

I don't understand why someone would think there was anything appalling about taking their children to Church. There are many different faiths out there. What is wrong with teaching your child about your faith?

Depends on what you're teaching, liz. If you are teaching them that there is something redeeming in believing something without evidence, then you're not endowing them with all critical thinking skills they need and essentially handicapping their cognitive abilities before they're adolescents. To me, that's abuse, because it obstructs a child's overall health.

I teach my daughter about faith, sure. I let her know that it's lazy thinking and that she's better off admitting that she doesn't know something when she doesn't rather than pretending she does.