8.7 Million Species

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just me wrote:I still wanna know how Noah got all that food and fresh water on the Ark...enough to last the year they were on it.
Bond James Bond wrote:I sat here for ten minutes trying to come up with an answer and I just couldn't. The Ark story is b***s***. And they're building a replica of the b***s*** boat in my state. *tears*
Hoops wrote:Just because you say it is doesn't make it so.
Are you aware of any physical evidence that supports the ark story as reported in the Bible?Are you aware of any physical evidence that might contradict the ark story as reported in the Bible?

And YES... I'm aware that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Although, in the case of a global flood, I don't feel unreasonable in expecting that there might be some physical evidence.
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Hoops wrote:
just me wrote:Well, I have seen the arguement from YE people that the force of the Flood was such to create the Grand Canyon.

If that is true than I think the water mixture would have happened fairly quickly.

I still wanna know how Noah got all that food and fresh water on the Ark...enough to last the year they were on it.

How much food and fresh water did he need?


How many animals did he have?

Each human would need 1/2 gallon of fresh water for drinking minimum per day. If they never washed their bodies or clothing or pots/pans the whole time I guess they could do without extra water. However, that seems pretty disgusting to me. I've always read that 1 gallon of water per day per human is what you actually need....so.

Were there 8 humans? They would need 4-8 gallons of fresh water per day. They were on the ark nearly one year. For just the humans they needed 1440-2880 gallons of water. If they captured water in the first 40 days of rain it would probably have gotten nasty by the end...they would have needed either a way of keeping it fresh (safe from contaminates) or a way to resupply. But, hey, it was the olden days so they were used to nasty stuff in their food and water.

Humans need a minimum of, what, 1200 calories per day to survive. Closer to 2000 would be ideal. Calories aren't all that is important, without a certain amount of protien, vitamins and minerals and stuff people will suffer from malnutrition, get sick and die. People did die young back then, HOWEVER Noah was an oddity. He lived to be very old. Therefore, he must have been very well nourished.

I'm also wondering if there was a wine cellar on baord since Noah was a wine bibber. We know he liked to get drunk. That would take strong wine or a lot of wine. I think it would be a few years before he could make new wine post-deluge so he must have been carrying a LOT of freaking wine as cargo.

If they had 2 elephants on board...one could look up how much those elephants would need.

Do that for every animal he had on board and you get the idea of what was needed.
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Nightlion wrote:
All praise and glory be unto the creator whose handiwork all these are. Not to the damn cataloguers.


Hail Odin!

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Buffalo wrote:
Nightlion wrote:
All praise and glory be unto the creator whose handiwork all these are. Not to the damn cataloguers.


Hail Odin!

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Valhalla shall be your reward.
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Mad Viking wrote:
Buffalo wrote:[

Hail Odin!

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Valhalla shall be your reward.


I dedicate this sandwich to Odin! *slashes sandwich with spear tip*
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

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just me wrote:
Hoops wrote:How much food and fresh water did he need?


How many animals did he have?

Each human would need 1/2 gallon of fresh water for drinking minimum per day. If they never washed their bodies or clothing or pots/pans the whole time I guess they could do without extra water. However, that seems pretty disgusting to me. I've always read that 1 gallon of water per day per human is what you actually need....so.

Were there 8 humans? They would need 4-8 gallons of fresh water per day. They were on the ark nearly one year. For just the humans they needed 1440-2880 gallons of water. If they captured water in the first 40 days of rain it would probably have gotten nasty by the end...they would have needed either a way of keeping it fresh (safe from contaminates) or a way to resupply. But, hey, it was the olden days so they were used to nasty stuff in their food and water.

Humans need a minimum of, what, 1200 calories per day to survive. Closer to 2000 would be ideal. Calories aren't all that is important, without a certain amount of protien, vitamins and minerals and stuff people will suffer from malnutrition, get sick and die. People did die young back then, HOWEVER Noah was an oddity. He lived to be very old. Therefore, he must have been very well nourished.

I'm also wondering if there was a wine cellar on baord since Noah was a wine bibber. We know he liked to get drunk. That would take strong wine or a lot of wine. I think it would be a few years before he could make new wine post-deluge so he must have been carrying a LOT of freaking wine as cargo.

If they had 2 elephants on board...one could look up how much those elephants would need.

Do that for every animal he had on board and you get the idea of what was needed.


We also should find out what crops were available to ol' Noah at that time in his region. Since everything was vegetarian....What did all the vegetarian animals eat?

While Noah was constructing the ark he would also have had to have been cultivating mass quantities of crops and HOARDING them away from the rest of the community.

He also needed a fuel source for cooking. If he brought grain it would have had to have been cooked in water over a fire to be edible. Where did he store all the wood or whatever it was he used for fire?
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How many animals did he have?

Each human would need 1/2 gallon of fresh water for drinking minimum per day. If they never washed their bodies or clothing or pots/pans the whole time I guess they could do without extra water. However, that seems pretty disgusting to me. I've always read that 1 gallon of water per day per human is what you actually need....so.

Were there 8 humans? They would need 4-8 gallons of fresh water per day. They were on the ark nearly one year. For just the humans they needed 1440-2880 gallons of water. If they captured water in the first 40 days of rain it would probably have gotten nasty by the end...they would have needed either a way of keeping it fresh (safe from contaminates) or a way to resupply. But, hey, it was the olden days so they were used to nasty stuff in their food and water.

Humans need a minimum of, what, 1200 calories per day to survive. Closer to 2000 would be ideal. Calories aren't all that is important, without a certain amount of protien, vitamins and minerals and stuff people will suffer from malnutrition, get sick and die. People did die young back then, HOWEVER Noah was an oddity. He lived to be very old. Therefore, he must have been very well nourished.

I'm also wondering if there was a wine cellar on baord since Noah was a wine bibber. We know he liked to get drunk. That would take strong wine or a lot of wine. I think it would be a few years before he could make new wine post-deluge so he must have been carrying a LOT of freaking wine as cargo.

If they had 2 elephants on board...one could look up how much those elephants would need.

Do that for every animal he had on board and you get the idea of what was needed.


Your condescencion is noted.

We also know that Noah lived for 950 years so to equate what he required with what we require is not warranted.

What makes you think a full grown elephant was on board?
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You're making quite a few presumptions that are not demanded.
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Hoops wrote:
Your condescencion is noted.

We also know that Noah lived for 950 years so to equate what he required with what we require is not warranted.

What makes you think a full grown elephant was on board?


What's sad is that you actually believe this whole fairy tale. You take this crap literally, don't you?
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Seems reasonable to me that if one is going to dispute the Biblical record, one should actually know what the Biblical record is. Don't you agree?
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