Most Frequent Book of Abraham Assertion

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_CaliforniaKid
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Re: Most Frequent Book of Abraham Assertion

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stemelbow wrote:Considering that there are characters which are not found on the papyrus can we surmise, at all, that Joseph and his partners were using the characters for something else, as Will seems to conclude?

In my opinion, no. Joseph regarded the characters on the papyrus as composite characters, comprised of smaller symbolic graphemes. So it makes sense that a lexicon of this language would need to focus on these simpler sub-shapes rather than the full-fledged composite characters. I regard Parts 1-2a of the EA as a catalogue of invented sub-shapes. Then when Joseph changed strategies in Part 2b and began breaking down actual characters from the papyrus into sub-shapes for translation, it raised some grammatical questions about how the dissected shapes relate to the composite character. That's why he started to the GAEL, which tries to address such questions in more detail.

My question here suggests, at least to me, that they were perhaps defining the characters themselves rather than attempting to use those characters for translation.

I actually do think the language project was, to some extent, an end in itself. Certain comments made by Joseph's scribes suggest the Grammar was a product of revelation, and there is some very interesting theological content embedded in the language's structure and the character explanations. However, in my opinion the evidence that they used it for translation is quite strong. At the very least, it was used to translate a character from the Kinderhook Plates (as Don Bradley recently argued at the FAIR Conference). But I also see good reason to think it was used to translate the Katumin notebooks, the Facsimile 2 explanation, and parts of Abraham chapter 1.
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Re: Most Frequent Book of Abraham Assertion

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Will is blubbering that no one is willing to point out where CK offered up a "counterargument" to his thesis re: the order that the documents were written. He cited this:

viewtopic.php?p=349923#p349923

and complained that

Will Schryver wrote:A reply to a post by Daniel McClellan. Folks, this one is a masterpiece of something. I defy someone to extract from this post something that constitutes a substantive counter-argument to my thesis.


I don't really know why Will is having such a hard time reading CK's post. It seems to me that this is the relevant summary:

California Kid wrote:The highlighted entries are iota, zub-zool-oan, beth, beth-ka, and beth-ku.) Given a reverse-engineering or "encipherment" hypothesis, I guess one would have to chalk it up to coincidence that these already-translated graphemes and their assigned meanings could be "found" in the initial character of the Book of Abraham and the corresponding English translation in such a way that a plausible dissection could be provided in the fifth degree. It seems more likely to me that the dissection was produced first, and then the English text was composed by assembling the meanings of the various graphemes into a narrative.


Maybe Will will respond to this?
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_Kevin Graham
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Re: Most Frequent Book of Abraham Assertion

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Just returned home to see if Schryver accepted my challenge to debate and not surprisingly, my post was removed and my posting privileges have been removed. He wants to keep egging Chris on and on about a direct refutation to his nonsense but he has been dodging my refutations for years. What a bunch of hypocrites.
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