The Top Ten Happenings in Mopologetics, 2011

[_MsJack]

Hmm. Don't think I've ever been on this list before (let alone #1).

1. Schryvergate. Really, what more can be said about this? The key Mopologetic event of 2011 was the "defeat" of erstwhile Mopologetic here, William Schryver. After the unfortunate failure of his KEP FAIR Presentation, Schryver was continuing to lick his wounds until MsJack delivered a series of hydrogen bombs which blew his credibility to smithereens. In post after withering post, MsJack demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt that Schryver is a terrible liability for any publishing venue that wants to maintain a shred of respectability. The thread left no doubt as to Schryver's deep-seated misogyny, vulgarity, and duplicity. So profound and thorough was MsJack's critique that it led two concerned, Melchezidek priesthood-holder MI apologists to voice their issues to the Maxwell Institute "powers-that-be," and as a consequence, Schryver's supposedly upcoming MI publication was "canceled," due to fears of negative publicity.

While Will Schryver continues to try and rescue his tainted reputation, and while he continues to insist that his KEP work (now allegedly in the 500-page range) will one day see publication, the fact remains that MsJack dealt what may very well turn out to be the most devastating blow of the decade. If Schryver does indeed wind up convincing a venue to accept its work, it will spell certain shame and doom for whoever takes the bait.

Who could ever forget Jack's singlehanded takedown of a wannabe Titan of the Mopologetic scene?

I would have to agree this one is number one.

you certainly got the Number 1 slot right

So, do I get a mug or something?

I'm surprised the arrest of John L. Lund and Don Bradley's Kinderhook Plates presentation at the FAIR Conference aren't on this list. I don't keep up on all of this stuff, but those were certainly some of the most interesting Mormon apologetics-related events that I heard about all year.

Aw well. Back to my textbooks.

[_Simon Belmont]

Am I right in thinking that the evil Sandra Tanner was inspired to proclaim the Hoffman documents as forgeries long before your Church's Prophet? In fact, had the Church authorities listened to her, two people probably would have been saved from being murdered.

What has Sandra Tanner been doing that classes as harassment?

I didn't say the Tanners had no redeeming qualities. Yes, they speculated (correctly) that the Hoffman forgeries were, in fact, forgeries.

But does that make up for 30 years of harassment of the church and its people?

[_Drifting]

Am I right in thinking that the evil Sandra Tanner was inspired to proclaim the Hoffman documents as forgeries long before your Church's Prophet? In fact, had the Church authorities listened to her, two people probably would have been saved from being murdered.

What has Sandra Tanner been doing that classes as harassment?

I didn't say the Tanners had no redeeming qualities. Yes, they speculated (correctly) that the Hoffman forgeries were, in fact, forgeries.

But does that make up for 30 years of harassment of the church and its people?

Simon, I repeat the question you so obviously avoided.
"What has Sandra Tanner been doing that classes as harrassment?"

[_sock puppet]

Am I right in thinking that the evil Sandra Tanner was inspired to proclaim the Hoffman documents as forgeries long before your Church's Prophet? In fact, had the Church authorities listened to her, two people probably would have been saved from being murdered.

What has Sandra Tanner been doing that classes as harassment?

I didn't say the Tanners had no redeeming qualities. Yes, they speculated (correctly) that the Hoffman forgeries were, in fact, forgeries.

But does that make up for 30 years of harassment of the church and its people?

Isn't it funny, Simon, speculation without God got it right, but revelation with God got it wrong, used up sacred tithing dollars and cost two people their lives?

A husband and wife (anti-Mos at that) speculate without God and correctly ascertain what is going on.

At least 4 of God's ordained 'prophet, seers and revelators' get it dead ass wrong.

So we can conclude from this that man does better without omniscient God.

Go figure.

[_Drifting]

One of the top happenings in 2011 was when William Schryver was inadvertantly informed by the publishing committee of the Maxwell Ineptitute what we at MDB have known for a long time...

Another top happening was when William Schryver acknowledged (in the misogyny thread) making post before it was revealed he had posted it under the sock puppet 'Nomad'. Doh!

Another top happening was when these people stopped posting here: Nehor, Pahoran, Obiwan, DCP, Schryver, and subsequently the board got less petty, increasingly substantial in its discussions and more humourous. Go figure.

Another top happening was the demise of Mormon Times (the mopologetic weekly tabloid) with the associated loss of various stalwart defenders of the faith and sadly unfortunate dismissals of temple recommend holding LDS employee's who administered it.

[_Some Schmo]

I think a better analogy would be chemotherapy. I read many of his posts and throw up. I suppose I should be grateful that he kills cancerous mopologetics, though, despite the suffering?

Probably the best backhanded compliment I've ever received.

LOL

Shocker.

[_Simon Belmont]

Simon, I repeat the question you so obviously avoided.
"What has Sandra Tanner been doing that classes as harrassment?"

Scratch said:

I know he's got a full plate, what with his standing orders from Lou Midgley to harass Sandra Tanner, but it always seemed to me like he was giving you the run-around.

What has Matthew Roper been doing which would classify as harassment? My statement was in response to that. If, by visiting UTLM a couple of times, Roper was "harassing," then Tanner, by starting an anti-Mormon bookstore in the heart of Mormon country, is harassing as well.

[_sock puppet]

Am I right in thinking that the evil Sandra Tanner was inspired to proclaim the Hoffman documents as forgeries long before your Church's Prophet? In fact, had the Church authorities listened to her, two people probably would have been saved from being murdered.

What has Sandra Tanner been doing that classes as harassment?

I didn't say the Tanners had no redeeming qualities. Yes, they speculated (correctly) that the Hoffman forgeries were, in fact, forgeries.

But does that make up for 30 years of harassment of the church and its people?

Isn't it funny, Simon, speculation without God got it right, but revelation with God got it wrong, used up sacred tithing dollars and cost two people their lives?

A husband and wife (anti-Mos at that) speculate without God and correctly ascertain what is going on.

At least 4 of God's ordained 'prophets, seers and revelators' get it dead ass wrong.

So we can conclude from this that man does better without omniscient God.

Go figure.

Simon, any thoughts about the flip side of the coin, the side about those 4 (maybe more) clueless 'prophets, seers and revelators'?

[_Drifting]

Simon, I repeat the question you so obviously avoided.
"What has Sandra Tanner been doing that classes as harrassment?"

Scratch said:

I know he's got a full plate, what with his standing orders from Lou Midgley to harass Sandra Tanner, but it always seemed to me like he was giving you the run-around.

What has Matthew Roper been doing which would classify as harassment? My statement was in response to that. If, by visiting UTLM a couple of times, Roper was "harassing," then Tanner, by starting an anti-Mormon bookstore in the heart of Mormon country, is harassing as well.

She opened a book store?
That's your point?
Really?

How do you explain the fact that apostate Tanner got Hoffman right, the opposite to the First Presidency who were clueless as to what was going on and who had direct access to God?

[_Simon Belmont]

She opened a book store?
That's your point?
Really?

Since, by default, you agree with Scratch, perhaps you'd like to explain to me why Matthew Roper is "lazy" and "harassed" Sandra Tanner.

How do you explain the fact that apostate Tanner got Hoffman right, the opposite to the First Presidency who were clueless as to what was going on and who had direct access to God?

I don't need to explain it to you.