RIP Christopher Hitchens

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Re: RIP Christopher Hitchens

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Hoops wrote:
Molok wrote:I'm surprised that you'd say that. Didn't he just describe pretty much exactly what you believe, sans Mother Theresa, maybe?

This thread is not about that. So you support his tired, uncouth, and ugly comment? Good for you!!


Hitchens did not merely 'comment' on Mother Teresa, he produced a well-researched book on her. To give you an idea of it, here is one on-line review from the entry for the book on Amazon, where you can even look at parts of the text:


Before discussing Hitchens' book and Mother Teresa I would just briefly mention that I have spent most of my own life working in hospices, hospitals, and nursing homes, and often for no money. I say this not because I think it makes me any better than the next guy, but only because I want to pre-empt at the outset one criticism that has appeared in many other reviews: "When you spend one day working with these poor people, then maybe you can criticize Mother Teresa." Such concerns are beside the point. The issue should not be the reviewer; it is Mother Teresa and her work.

I've read the many negative reviews of Hitchens' book, and virtually all the reviewers suffer from at least one of two flaws:

1. They focus on limited, insignificant parts of the book, overlooking the most devastating material. This suggests they either have not read that material or do not care about it.

2. They attack Hitchens the man instead of what he says and the evidence he presents. This "shooting the messenger" is known as arguing "ad hominem" and accomplishes nothing beyond gratifying the reviewer's pique. (This includes an astoundingly ignorant review by William Donohue of the Catholic League, who spends so much of it attacking Hitchens' character that one wonders whether he paid any attention to what Hitchens actually wrote.)

So in taking a closer look at what Hitchens did write, let us not be deterred by the fear of attacking an icon. Let us rather be motivated by what Mother Teresa herself claimed was her dearest concern, the compassionate care of those who are poor, those who are disabled, those who are sick or dying or in great pain.

If these are our concerns, then the evidence Hitchens presents is damning. Much of it comes from people who worked for Mother Teresa and can be independently verified. Personal attacks on Hitchens or his religious views cannot in any way negate this evidence.

One key witness is Susan Shields, who wrote about her experience in Free Inquiry Magazine (Vol. 18 no. 1, Winter 1997/1998). Shields was a sister in the Missionaries of Charity. She lived with them in the Bronx, Rome, and San Francisco. According to Shields, the philosophy that guided the Missionary Sisters both considered suffering a virtue and strongly discouraged attachments of any kind to the people served. The inevitable result of this combination was an indifference to human suffering. If suffering is good, and if feeling emotional responses toward the patients is bad, then any uncomfortable emotions that may arise from witnessing their suffering must be quickly switched off. This makes true compassion difficult if not impossible.

The Missionary Sisters were not bad people. Most of them meant well. They tried their best to be obedient, and did not know that the great bulk of donations their order received remained hidden unused in Mother's bank accounts. Shields knows this because one of her assigned tasks was recording those donations. "We wrote receipts for checks of $50,000 and more on a regular basis," she reports.

Since poverty was also considered a virtue, little of that money could be spent either on the order or on the patients. As Shields tells us: "Mother was very concerned that we preserve our spirit of poverty. Spending money would destroy that poverty. She seemed obsessed with using only the simplest of means for our work. Was this in the best interests of the people we were trying to help, or were we in fact using them as a tool to advance our own `sanctity?' In Haiti, to keep the spirit of poverty, the sisters reused needles until they became blunt. Seeing the pain caused by the blunt needles, some of the volunteers offered to procure more needles, but the sisters refused."

Hitchens quotes parts of Shields' unpublished manuscript, but her article in Free Inquiry may easily be found online and is worth reading in full.

Another eyewitness Hitchens quotes is Dr. Robin Fox, who in 1994 was editor of The Lancet and who reported his findings in that journal in an article entitled "Mother Theresa's Care for the Dying" (September 17, 1994). While noting that the residents of the home were at least well fed, Fox nevertheless observes that their medical care was inadequate. He calls it "haphazard," refusing to permit normal diagnostic procedures like blood films because such practices "tend toward materialism." He concludes:

"I was disturbed to learn that the formulary includes no strong analgesics. Along with the neglect of diagnosis, the lack of good analgesia marks Mother Theresa's approach as clearly separate from the hospice movement. I know which I prefer."

Hitchens points out that this state of affairs at the Home for the Dying cannot be excused by any plea of poverty. Mother Teresa had at her disposal "immense quantities of money and material." The home was as it was because it reflected Mother Teresa's philosophy of suffering and the poor.

Dr. Fox's account is supplemented by the observations of Mary Loudon, a volunteer at the Home of the Dying whose testimony Hitchens obtained. In Loudon's words,

"This is two rooms with fifty to sixty men in one, fifty to sixty women in another. They're dying. They're not being given a great deal of medical care. They're not being given painkillers really beyond aspirin and maybe if you're lucky some Brufen [ibuprofen] or something, for the sort of pain that goes with terminal cancer and the things they were dying of."

I have years of experience working in hospice. Cancer pain can be unimaginable, and considerable intravenous morphine infusions are often scarcely enough to contain it. But if you have cancer in Mother Teresa's home, you'll get aspirin for your pain or maybe Advil if you're lucky.

Loudon goes on to observe that needles were reused continually and not sterilized but only rinsed at the cold water tap - another false show of poverty at the expense of the residents' well being.

Mother Teresa apparently considered pain sacred - as long as it happens to somebody else, and as long as that person is poor. Hitchens mentions (p. 41) a filmed interview in which Mother Teresa says with a smile what she told a patient suffering unbearable pain from terminal cancer: "You are suffering like Christ on the cross. So Jesus must be kissing you." The patient's response: "Then please tell him to stop kissing me."

It is supremely arrogant to tell someone in agony to be grateful for the blessing of pain while availing oneself of the best and most expensive hospitals in the West during one's own illnesses, as Mother Teresa did. Did Mother Teresa not wish to be kissed by Jesus too?

Another witness Hitchens quotes is author and journalist Elgy Gillespie, who spent time at Mother Teresa's San Francisco hostel for people with AIDS. She reports that the ones who were not too sick to care were extremely depressed because they were not permitted to watch TV or have friends come over, even when they were dying. She mentions one patient in particular who was able to escape the hostel for a while, because a caring friend of Gillespie's offered to take him in. When his illness worsened and this friend could no longer care for him, he begged her not to send him back to the hostel. He was afraid that at the hostel he would be denied necessary medication, including morphine for his pain.

How can one possibly excuse the willful denial of pain medication to people who are terminally ill, regardless of the theology behind it? How does one call somebody who does this a saint? Those who try to discredit Hitchens' book by attacking Hitchens personally are ethically irresponsible. They would also have to attack and discredit Susan Shields, Dr. Robin Fox, Mary Loudon, and Elgy Gillespie. So far to my knowledge, no one has.

Now why on earth would anyone withhold pain medication from people in intense pain, especially if one had millions to pay for such medication? Who can really discern another person's motives? One can only observe the obvious: there is no credit for helping the poor if they are not poor, the suffering if they are not suffering, and the disabled if they are independent. Mother Teresa made a great show of helping only the poor. In an interview with Malcolm Muggeridge she stated: "We cannot work for the rich; neither can we accept any money for the work we do. Ours has to be a free service, and to the poor" (p. 60). Another quote from Mother: "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people" (p.11).

There you have it. Mother's theology glorifies suffering. Suffering is good. It is the kiss of Christ. The suffering of the poor helps the world. So one can be a saint only by helping the suffering poor. There is no saintliness in helping the non-suffering non-poor. So collect millions in the name of the suffering poor; just don't spend it on relieving their pain or restoring their dignity.

Nothing illustrates this attitude better than a bizarre incident that took place in New York in 1990. The city gave two buildings it had seized for back taxes to the Missionary Sisters for one dollar apiece. The sisters planned to convert them into a homeless shelter. But there was a wrinkle. The city required that the residence be accessible to people with disabilities, and so asked that the sisters install an elevator. Mother Teresa adamantly refused. She even rejected the city's offer to pay for the elevator (never mind that she could easily have afforded to pay for it herself). So the nuns abandoned the project.
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Re: RIP Christopher Hitchens

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Hoops wrote:
Molok wrote:I'm surprised that you'd say that. Didn't he just describe pretty much exactly what you believe, sans Mother Theresa, maybe?

This thread is not about that. So you support his tired, uncouth, and ugly comment? Good for you!!

So you find your own beliefs uncouth and ugly then? Or just uncouth and ugly when stated by an unbeliever? Maybe just bad timing?
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While I very much doubt that Christopher Hitchens' loved ones are currently reading this message board, if they are I think we can all take comfort in the fact that being dismissive of Hitchens suffering in hell and taking a jokey shot at Mother Theresa are exactly the sort of things that Hitchens liked to do. So they probably won't mind so much.
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EAllusion wrote:While I very much doubt that Christopher Hitchens' loved ones are currently reading this message board, if they are I think we can all take comfort in the fact that being dismissive of Hitchens suffering in hell and taking a jokey shot at Mother Theresa are exactly the sort of things that Hitchens liked to do. So they probably won't mind so much.

If anything, they'd think we were lightweights by comparison.
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Hoops wrote:
Nonetheless, the man just died. He had friends and family who loved him. There's time enough later to tear apart him and Mother Teresa.



Indeed! (Talk about a post that was desperately needed to be posted)

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EAllusion wrote:While I very much doubt that Christopher Hitchens' loved ones are currently reading this message board, if they are I think we can all take comfort in the fact that being dismissive of Hitchens suffering in hell and taking a jokey shot at Mother Theresa are exactly the sort of things that Hitchens liked to do. So they probably won't mind so much.

Well, it must be okay then.
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RayAgostini wrote:
Of course. If you share his "death is the end" philosophy, then I understand why you'd sing praises to him. No doubt his brain is now being eaten by earth worms,


I don't know if worms are in there yet but I am quite sure his brain and his whole body are decomposing.

and his life was totally meaningless.


Oops! That didn't follow at all. His life was undoubtably full of meaning and lots of it. The meaning of his life will last longer than most. He will not soon be forgotton. Contrast that with that fact that you and me both will soon be forgotten.

Statement A:
Zip, zap, and he's gone.


Statement B:
Might as well have said nothing.


Statement B does not follow from statement A--not at all. Have worms started early on your brain??

What was the bloody point of existing in the first place?

I suspect that it is exaclty those people who haven't managed to find meaning in this life that place their hopes in an afterlife.

To convince people that death is the end?

And if that is the truth, then he said the truth.
But let's be clear, death is only the end if you think that you and your immediate subjectivity are all that matters.
Ego ego ego.

Look around Ray. No individual entity in nature lasts. No flower, no rain cloud, no mountain. But everything leaves effects and life goes on. That's the way it works and I am sorry you can see any beauty in that.

While I don't generally decry passive atheism, or agnosticism,


Oh jee wiz thanks Ray! Atheists are alright as long as they are passive and keep their mouths shut about what they belief to be the truth??
(WTF??)
On the other hand, it is OK with you that Mormons go door to door and religionists in general spend enormous energy trying to convert and control literally everyone using guilt, shame and even the sword???
That's so messed up.


pastors and preachers of atheism, like Hitchens, Dawkins and Harris, are just full of themselves as "guiding lights" to nowhere. A dead end.

But the likes of Peterson and Hamblin are guiding lights to where? Kolob?

I guess disbelief in the magical is the only thing you can't tolerate. You just don't care what someone believes as long as it is some religious or new age fantasy.
Of course, how long this mood you are in will last is anybody's guess.

And they completely ignore all of the evidence contrary to their sacred and not to be challenged opinions,

Ignore evidence???????????????????????
Sacred and not to be challenged????????????????????

Oh the irony Ray!!



Goodbye Christopher Hitchens.
I got you.

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Good lord.

First of all, Hitchens made a small cottage industry out of criticizing well-liked people right after they died. That was one of his principle schticks. Given his admirable self-awareness, I think he would appreciate the symmetry and would be off-put by any sanctimony of leaving him untouchable because he just died.

Second of all, I wasn't taking a shot at Hitchens at all. I'm an atheist who obviously does not believe that Hitchens is burning in hell. I was dismissively joking about the idea of him burning in hell with a supposedly saintly person that he was a fierce critic of. That's the kind of thing that celebrates who he was, not mocks him. Please don't become aghast at celebrating a person after they die out of some misplaced sense of reverence. Ray is the person taking actual shots at him, and I was replying to that.
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Hoops wrote:
EAllusion wrote:While I very much doubt that Christopher Hitchens' loved ones are currently reading this message board, if they are I think we can all take comfort in the fact that being dismissive of Hitchens suffering in hell and taking a jokey shot at Mother Theresa are exactly the sort of things that Hitchens liked to do. So they probably won't mind so much.

Well, it must be okay then.


Hitchens did not 'take a jokey shot at Mother Theresa'. Instead, he documented serious criticisms of the whole basis of the practices she insisted upon in operations of her missionary order, including the refusal of good pain medication to the terminally ill, despite the fact that the money was available to provide it.

See my post above. If you have a certain religious orientation, you may believe Hitchens to have been factually correct, but Mother Theresa still to have been morally commendable. But most people who sent money to support her work would never have dreamed that she might be as Hitchens described her, and had they done so they might well have sent their money elsewhere.
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Re: RIP Christopher Hitchens

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Chap wrote:
Hitchens did not 'take a jokey shot at Mother Theresa'.


I've read Hitchens take humorous shots at Mother Theresa. He also was a huge, serious critic of her. It's something I called brave earlier in the thread. These are not mutually exclusive things.
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