Schryver Banned from MAD

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Re: Schryver Banned from MAD

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Doctor Scratch wrote:...(who, as Ray has apparently shown, is a moderator)


He did say he was a moderator there (long after I blew the whistle here), but I don't know if he is now. I suppose it's always possible he could have gone back to moderating.

I think there has been tension between Will and the mods for some time now, not only in that thread.
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Re: Schryver Banned from MAD

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Someone on this board predicted a month or two ago that Will would go out of his way to get himself banned from MAD, most likely to avoid having to respond seriously to the ever-mounting criticisms of his "work."

Someone on this board is a prophet (in the actual sense of the word, not the Mormon).
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Unless he's gone back to moderating since October 2011, LoaP isn't a moderator there anymore.
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Re: Schryver Banned from MAD

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RayAgostini wrote:He did say he was a moderator there (long after I blew the whistle here), but I don't know if he is now.


Maybe Will banned himself . . . ?
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Re: Schryver Banned from MAD

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consiglieri wrote:
Maybe Will banned himself . . . ?


Will hasn't volunteered any information to me, and I'm not particularly concerned about what happened. If he has been banned, I'm pretty sure he'll survive this major "crisis". lol.
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Re: Schryver Banned from MAD

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Does anyone have the feeling Will will be back? The motivation to keep Pahoran around, no matter what he may say, should also apply to Mr. Schryver. They both provide a raw type of apologetic service.
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Re: Schryver Banned from MAD

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Will made a public oath over at mad to not return here so long as XP did not return.

At times it is sad what will has done to himself.
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Re: Schryver Banned from MAD

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I'm still waiting to see if "why me" has the integrity to back up his claims. Of course we both know he is lying when he claims I have been given a "pass" at MAD and that I have gotten away with "insults galore."

Here is the last post that the mods deleted. Please tell me where there are "insults galore", especially when compared to wade's previous comments. Keep in mind that wade and William have both argued with the moderators and have gotten away with it. Wade even had a moderator apologize to him for reprimanding him. This is something the mods always said would not be tolerated because a moderator's decision is to be accepted no questions asked... except when you're wade or William.

Here is the post they deleted when I complained that Wade was getting a free pass at taking over the thread:

Interesting. I apologized for the one remark everyone was supposedly upset about (saying wade's argument was making him look foolish), which was rather innocuous when compared to the onslaught of his baseless allegations saying I had a "penchant for misrepresentation," that I was "incapable of rational input," that I was "self-deluded," etc. All this rhetoric still pollutes the first three pages of my thread and the mods just let it stand.

I'm not sure how requesting Wade to reciprocate with an apology, especially in the spirit of Christmas, can be interpreted as "picking a fight."

Let's not forget, wade started this little squabble in his first three posts and for three pages now he has successfully derailed the purpose of this thread, trying to get people to draw a verdict he began with before he ever read Gee's presentation; asking people to comment on my "mistake" instead of the opening post. This agenda was made obvious when his first comment was that he'd like to see what Gee "actually" said, implying of course that my presentation of his argument isn't what he actually said. This is a personal insult without merit and he got away with it. Since then, I and others have kindly pointed out to him that he should watch the presentation to fully understand that his quibble has no merit. We gave him a mulligan so he could leap from this sinking ship without further embarrassment, but he continues to press on with it.

Moreover, wade might be acting "polite" towards the mods now, but he has avoided responding to me directly, and instead continues to address his imagined audience, referring to me in third person while constantly throwing in his jabs about how "clearly wrong" I am, based on, of course, his "critical analysis" of a two-page, data-lacking, written transcript of what was actually a data-complete visual presentation. He won't deal with the evidence that proves his allegation is unfounded. It is like he doesn't know how to admit being wrong on any given point and yet he demands we all stay focused on his irrelevant side-show about how I'm supposed to be wrong about what, even if true, were a minor point that doesn't really deal with the issues Gee raised.

I agree that we should move on and get back to the topic - were we ever on topic? - but I've been trying to do that for days and he won't address the purpose of this thread. Wade has never really been interested in the topics of any of my threads. His modus operandi is perfectly clear with his opening posts. He rushes in with the allegation that I've somehow "misrepresented" the arguments I'm critiquing (usually before reading that argument for himself) and instead of addressing valid criticisms that I present, he spends all his time trying to divert attention to his self-described "rational" critique of my integrity. Usually, this means the thread gets closed down while I'm away and of course, he gets the last say in a rhetoric filled rant that stands as an embarrassing apologetic ornament to what would have been an otherwise productive thread.

I've received emails from people saying they can no longer read these threads because he is constantly taking them over and getting everyone to bear-dance to his tunes.

So I think at this point it would be productive to go along with Wade's challenge of "who has integrity?" He has challenged my integrity for three pages now, apparently with full blessing of the moderation team, and all I have done in my last post is turn the tables on him. Now that it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt that wade's three-page rant about my "misrepresentation" of Gee, is in fact based on his own admitted ignorance of the visual presentation, I don't see why it is suddenly "bad form" for me to call him out and request, at the very least, a retraction of his dozen or so statements. I know an apology is probably asking too much, but if he is incapable of acknowledging the fact that I properly represented Gee's presentation, then I'm happy to let that play in the minds of his perceived audience in determining who here has integrity issues or who here is really playing an agenda without any concern about what's actually true.

I've done everything I know how to help the guy. I even purchased the streamed version of the presentation yesterday as well as today (it expired at midnight so I had to buy it again) and then provided big bright photos of the presentation that refute his allegation beyond any reasonable doubt. This I did all for naught, because at the end of the day wade isn't really interested in getting to what's true. He is only interested in driving his predetermined verdicts into everyone's heads.

My case against his argument is rock solid. I have all my ducks in a row. Since wade has been trying to get everyone to demand a verdict for three pages now, then I say let's do it. I'm ecstatic with the evidence on my side and the dearth of evidence on his. But I'm only playing wade's game here because he's become the ringmaster of this circus and so he's in control as usual.

As I said, I'd much prefer we get on topic, but there is little George and I can do if no LDS apologist is willing to step up to the plate and address the problems we've mentioned in the Gee/Schryver theories mentioned in this thread.


The mods deleted all of this post except for the last sentence!

Incidentally, I've been contacted by people asking me not to bring up the fact that Wade has learning disabilities. Normally I'd never consider talking about this, but given Wade's condescending attitude towards anyone who dares disagree with him, along with his bombastic certitude and arrogance about issues he clearly knows nothing about, I think it is important for the audience to understand the fact that he is the one with cognitive issues. If he had the slightest hint of humility he'd be aware of his own deficiencies and consider the possibility that he is the one one misrepresenting everyone around him. He has misrepresented Gee, and then he misrepresented me and now he is trying to get away with misrepresent George Miller. His only consistency is his inability to address the real arguments because he is only interested in beating up straw man creations. He has no business complaining about how everyone has problems "comprehending" when in fact the problem is right there in the mirror. It would be like a blind person driving a car and then complaining to the other drivers when he crashes into them. At some point you have to set aside the PC attitude and say what needs to be said: This moron has no business driving!

Likewise, Wade needs to be sidelined by apologists who can only lose by letting this guy take the helm for Book of Abraham apologetics. His basic knowledge of the subject is no better than Schryver's and his ability to reason is hindered by genetics. Sad, but true.
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Re: Schryver Banned from MAD

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moksha wrote:Does anyone have the feeling Will will be back? The motivation to keep Pahoran around, no matter what he may say, should also apply to Mr. Schryver. They both provide a raw type of apologetic service.


I don't know that even Paharon can match the level of Schryverian grandstanding on the KEP. In another post I laid out why I think Schryver will be back with a vengeance:

If I know Schryver he will not take anything lying down. He thinks he has a whole arsenal of WMDs just waiting to be unleashed on the unsuspecting critic. He likely believes that his publication(s) will forever silence the critics on the KEP.

He's a quintessential apologist who thinks he's on a mission from God to straighten out the whole KEP mess to clear Joseph Smith and the church.

Unfortunately he's only undermined his own credibility with his incessant grandstanding. His research may be novel but his methodology is quite untested. His articles need to go through a thorough peer review before they should see the light of day. His articles already presage a high-handed polemical style with his threats to take on all others who have published in the field.

Kevin Graham easily pokes holes into Scrhyver's theories and Schryver responds with avoidance, ad hominem, and grandstanding. Schryver needs to realize that he has ratcheted up the hype on his stuff for so long now that once it does come out it will be put under a microscope by both critics and LDS scholars. It may not be a pretty sight.

But unfortunately, again, he's had the images long enough and studied hard enough to believe he now owns the KEP. With this authority he feels the need to correct the errors of all others, have the final word, and save the faith.

So, despite the fact he's been banned over there (if it's true), make no mistake about it, he'll be back.
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Re: Schryver Banned from MAD

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sanjara wrote:So, despite the fact he's been banned over there (if it's true), make no mistake about it, he'll be back.


Gosh, I hope so! Few people have the abiity to screw things up as much as Will does.
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