thews wrote:Your logic is flawed. In the scenario where no God exists and the Devil deceives every soul, the Devil would then be God. The question is asking would you choose a metaphor for evil vs. good.
You really think this defeats the argument... You've totally missed the point.
Nightlion wrote:What has belief got to do with it.
What has belief got to do with the idea that God sets before you enticements?
You don't consider this a belief which requires faith? Or even a belief at all?
Well, first of all, whether it's the sort of God you think it is and not something else is a belief.
Do you mean to suggest that you can establish that it's a specific God working in a particular way and not something else, without faith?
I am saying that God can work in a child's heart unbeknownst in a cognitive way which precludes faith. Thus a child is preconditioned to faith in God when the time comes.
We all admit infants and toddlers are filled with light and love. They do not know the right hand from the left but they look at you with faith, love, hope, and virtue without realizing it.
Nightlion wrote:I am saying that God can work in a child's heart unbeknownst in a cognitive way which precludes faith. Thus a child is preconditioned to faith in God when the time comes.
We all admit infants and toddlers are filled with light and love. They do not know the right hand from the left but they look at you with faith, love, hope, and virtue without realizing it.
I am saying that you can presuppose that there exists a particular God who works that way, but why suppose that rather than any other explanation?
How do you establish that there exists a God and he works by preconditioning us for faith without circularly appealing to preconditioned faith?
Nightlion wrote:I am saying that God can work in a child's heart unbeknownst in a cognitive way which precludes faith. Thus a child is preconditioned to faith in God when the time comes.
We all admit infants and toddlers are filled with light and love. They do not know the right hand from the left but they look at you with faith, love, hope, and virtue without realizing it.
I am saying that you can presuppose that there exists a particular God who works that way, but why suppose that rather than any other explanation?
How do you establish that there exists a God and he works by preconditioning us for faith without circularly appealing to preconditioned faith?
Actual experience realized from a life well examined.
Nightlion wrote:Actual experience realized from a life well examined.
Ok. So, you establish that a particular God exists by analyzing personal experience.
What about these experiences makes you think that only one sort of God is responsible, at the exclusion of other sorts of Gods or supernatural/extraordinary explanations...?
Nightlion wrote:Actual experience realized from a life well examined.
Ok. So, you establish that a particular God exists by analyzing personal experience.
What about these experiences makes you think that only one sort of God is responsible, at the exclusion of other sorts of Gods or supernatural/extraordinary explanations...?
My God's provenance down through recorded time is unmatched and of course with the rise of The Apocalrock his provenance, signet and seal is set from earth's earliest moments. This event fulfills prophecy made Anciently and thereby circles around to an infinity of corroboration. There is no god like unto the Lord our Righteousness.
I think you're missing that faith is actual substance and evidence. It's not a pure knowledge because it's in things that are unseen. This is a common Christian description of faith found in Hebrews. So with the "first" act of faith, there is always a basis. Maybe it truly is the first thing you've come into contact with, maybe it's something that attracts or pulls you.
I don't see how this changes the question.
The game is changed completely because you've erroneously assumed that faith is blind.
Nightlion wrote:My God's provenance down through recorded time is unmatched and of course with the rise of The Apocalrock his provenance, signet and seal is set from earth's earliest moments. This event fulfills prophecy made Anciently and thereby circles around to an infinity of corroboration. There is no god like unto the Lord our Righteousness.
That's sounds like an analysis of history, not personal experience. I don't get it.
thews wrote:Your logic is flawed. In the scenario where no God exists and the Devil deceives every soul, the Devil would then be God. The question is asking would you choose a metaphor for evil vs. good.
You really think this defeats the argument... You've totally missed the point.
Perhaps you should make a point first.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths