Ann Romney's testimony

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While I do believe all politicians lie and distort their opponents (due to the fact that, despite public protests, negative campaigning actually works), it does irk me that Romney has done it so blatantly while claiming to be honest with all his fellowmen. Maybe that's not fair of me, but such blatant hypocrisy irks me quite a bit.

For example: Romney won't release his taxes and asserts we have to take his word for the fact that he's never paid less than 13% (as if that's a fair number for a multi-millionaire, either). Yet when he was running for governor in Mass., he asserted that he had claimed Mass residency on his taxes when his fulfillment of the residency requirement was questioned. He refused to release the tax returns to prove that he had done so, even with the financial information redacted. Then he was forced to release the tax forms, and he had lied.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2002/0 ... story.html

Republican gubernatorial hopeful Mitt Romney contradicted his previous public statements yesterday, and said for the first time that he did not file Massachusetts income tax returns for 1999 and 2000 as a resident of this state.

At a news conference, Romney said that he filed as a part-year resident for 1999 and a nonresident for 2000. He amended those returns, claiming Massachusetts resident status, on April 2, a week after he announced he was running for governor of Massachusetts and four days before the state Republican convention that endorsed his candidacy.

The Massachusetts Constitution requires a governor to be a resident for each of the seven years prior to the election. Romney has been embroiled in a controversy over his residency since Wednesday, when the Globe reported his home in Park City, Utah, was classified as his “primary residence” for 1999 through 2001, giving him a $54,000 break on his property taxes.

His filing of Massachusetts tax returns as a nonresident and a part-year resident may weaken his argument that he has long considered this state his primary home. The Massachusetts Department of Revenue considers an individual a part-year resident if he leaves the state during the year, and has “terminated your residency in Massachusetts to establish a residence outside the state” but still has a source of income here. In 2000, he filed as a nonresident, defined as someone who is not a resident, but again has a source of income in the state. He received an extension for his 2001 return.

Romney’s revelations about his amended returns came one day after he told reporters he had “filed both as a resident of Utah and a resident of Massachusetts” when asked whether he filed taxes as a resident of Massachusetts from 1999 to 2001.

Earlier in the week, he rejected a request by the Globe for copies of his returns with financial information redacted, but his residential status visible. A Romney spokesman insisted at that time the GOP candidate had filed his returns as a Massachusetts resident, but told the Globe reporter, “You’re going to have to take my word for it.”


Maybe Romney's problem isn't that he lies more than any other politician, but he's worse at it and gets caught more.
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EAllusion wrote:
beastie wrote: I suppose part of the reason I'm so harsh on Mitt is that I only scored a 13% with him.

That's impressive. I don't think I've seen anyone score that low with anyone before.


Heh. I scored 2% with Virgil Goode.
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Since the cool kids are doing it:

Gary Johnson 94%
Ron Paul 90%
Jill Stein 60%
Mitt Romney 60%
Barack Obama 53%

71% Libertarian 61% Republican 57% Democratic 39% Green

But how can this be, when Droopy assures me that I must be a leftist because I don't believe in the Church anymore?
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beastie wrote:Yet when he was running for governor in Mass., he asserted that he had claimed Mass residency on his taxes when his fulfillment of the residency requirement was questioned. He refused to release the tax returns to prove that he had done so, even with the financial information redacted. Then he was forced to release the tax forms, and he had lied.


And, of course, he did so to dodge paying taxes.

Big surprise.
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Darth J wrote:Since the cool kids are doing it:

Gary Johnson 94%
Ron Paul 90%
Jill Stein 60%
Mitt Romney 60%
Barack Obama 53%

71% Libertarian 61% Republican 57% Democratic 39% Green

But how can this be, when Droopy assures me that I must be a leftist because I don't believe in the Church anymore?


You'll always be a leftist in my heart.
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consiglieri wrote:
palerobber wrote:
one more thing that particularly disappointed me about Romney was when he came out against Muslims being allowed to build a mosque in lower Manhattan, despite the similar trouble he had faced in Boston trying to get a Mormon temple built. it was just stunning hypocrisy, not to mention a violation of his own 11th Article of Faith.


But the thing that really pissed me off is the temple in Boston was built across the street from a skyscraper brought down by Mormon pilots.


wtf? is that supposed to be a joke?

please tell me you're not suggesting that Muslim-Americans in NYC bear collective responsibility for the attacks of 9/11.

it was just an ill-considered and tasteless joke, right?
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Jason Bourne wrote:
You know it is funny.... I visited :

http://www.isidewith.com/

And was with GJ at around 87%



I get GJ 65%, Jill Stein ( who is she?) 65%, Romey 58% and Obama 56%. Surprisingly I get Democrat 70% and Republican 52%. I guess my two liberal partners at the office who say I am a closet liberal are correct.


Jason we're ready to get you signed up for your secret welfare and perpetual "unemployment while still employed" benefits as soon as you join Team Obama. :wink:
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Jason Bourne wrote:Jaybear and Palerobber. I did not say Obama made either accusation. I simply noted what I think are innuendos, lies and distortions coming from the left. That said, campaign staff in the Obama camp have fueled the innuendos from Reid and they have lied about the facts and not being aware of the husband in the add about the wife who died. And Obama has not disavowed the add.

Palerobber thank you for the examples.

I think both sides are really stinking a lot in this campaign.


i can certainly agree with you that innuendos, lies, and distortions come from both the right and left.

regarding the "wife who died" ad (which was made by an unaccountable super-PAC), i don't think it's incumbent on Obama to embrace or disavow every ad by an outside group that comes down the pike. similarly, you'll never see me blaming Romney for what the republican super-PAC's are doing. i just don't think it's fair to the candidates to put the burden of policing these ads on them. unfortunately, i doubt many voters distinguish between ads produced by the campaign vs. outside groups.
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consiglieri wrote:
palerobber wrote:
one more thing that particularly disappointed me about Romney was when he came out against Muslims being allowed to build a mosque in lower Manhattan, despite the similar trouble he had faced in Boston trying to get a Mormon temple built. it was just stunning hypocrisy, not to mention a violation of his own 11th Article of Faith.


But the thing that really pissed me off is the temple in Boston was built across the street from a skyscraper brought down by Mormon pilots.


palerobber wrote:wtf? is that supposed to be a joke?

please tell me you're not suggesting that Muslim-Americans in NYC bear collective responsibility for the attacks of 9/11.

it was just an ill-considered and tasteless joke, right?


So, palerobber.......

What do you think about the LDS Church building a temple at Mountain Meadows? You'd agree that would be a classy move, right?
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I don't like Romney because his methods remind me of the same used in Mormon apologetics.

Quiz results: 86% Gary Johnson....never heard of him.
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