Benson blows Monson's Arthur Patton tale out of the water

[_Mayan Elephant]

PS: I hate defending Monson...but unless I'm missing something, I just see the uproar among non believers over Monson's error as playing into the hands of believers who view those of us who no longer believe as bitter, petty apostates...Benson's essay...lends support to this notion

your vision may be a bit cloudy on this one. i do not think benson's essay paints me or anyone on the same side of the Mormon spectrum as bitter or petty.

now, i only need to listen to monson's dooshy stories about once, and suffer his ridiculous condescending conference cadence for about 17 seconds, to know he is probably lying. or, to put it on monson's terms. to know that lies, were told. exaggerations, were shared. even fibs, were offered. and widows, even their names, even their childrens' names, were used, in vain. and heads, were left, shaking, at the end, of nearly every, conference talk, after monson's words, were spoken. because, nobody knew, the hell he was talking, about.

i am pretty sure i care about as much about tommy lying about the patton story in conference as i do about him lying about giving his trains to orphans on the streets of the salt lake city avenues when he was a wee lad. the details of the lies do not matter much to me either, craig. but the fact that this dude is a pathological headcase who has been lying and lying and lying and lying and lying about all these stories is relevant. pointing it out where specific records are available, and biographies are available, is actually kinda cool.

sure, it is not tommy lying about the general authorities never ever getting jiggy with patrons of the deseret gym back in the day. we are not talking about him lying for the lord in a cover-up like what happened with hofmann. after all, this is just another anecdote to move people and make them feel like they are getting a spiritual antidote.

to me, there is real meat to this story because tommy monson is such a lightweight and has been peddling this crap for so long. tommy has survived in chronological years to get where he is. but more than that, he has survived by being the reformed ron burgundy of church board members. think about it like this, during monson's tenure in the twelve/fifteen and many first presidencies, he has put up with some real damn characters. mcconkie, tanner, romney, packer, benson's crazy ass grandfather, among others. hell, he served with joseph fielding smith for 10 years. call them nuts or whatever, those cats were NOT lightweights. even hinckley was a money-laundering and building-building CEO. what is monson? a clown with a bunch of stories and nothing else. no muscle behind anything, just his stupid stories that are almost all false or embellished, and chiclets.

pointing at the naked emperor is really not a hugely intellectual endeavor. i think steve has gone way past normal research into a simple anecdote on this one. but i think the exclamation being made is one that will stick after monson's death, which is, an entire lifetime of so-called service and the leadership of a massive church and what does he have to show for it - children's books and a pack of lies. really, tommy has not much more than that to share.

[Guest]

Steve,

Have you ever ordered a copy of Patton's service record?

What I currently have is a copy of Patton's 10 December 1941 enlistment card, as well as a copy from his last ship, the U.S.S. White Plains, of its "Report of Changes of U.S.S. White Plains (CVE 66) for the month ending 19th day of July 1944," line 4 for "Arthur Frank Patton," Service Number: 368 71 14, Date of Enlistment: 10 Dec. 41, Place of Enlistment: Salt Lake City." On this report, Patton is designated as "Missing as result of own misconduct." The report further designates Patton, along with his shipmate Blake Lewis Pauley, as "Missing" (handwritten over the crossed-out, typed abbreviation "Trans." for "Transferred"), which appears under category 7: "Received, transferred, deserted, discharged, change of rating, death, or any other change of status." The designation for both men as "Missing as result of own misconduct" appears in category 9, under the sub-heading: "Vessel or station from which received, to what vessel or station transferred, when discharged and character of discharge; where deserted, and amount due or overpaid. When died, cause of death and where and when buried. If rated and authority for same. If disrated, give cause; if on detached duty, give place of duty. If passenger, give purpose of travel and final disposition."


Patton's enlistment card reads:

“Arthur Frank Patton, Navy; mother: Teresa Patton, 533 So. 2nd W, SLC.” A typed enlistment-related reference appearing in the lower right area of the card reads: “Enl-no. Bk#1, Pg 22. c.l. Trib 12-12-41,”

[_Mayan Elephant]

Someone at RFM has hacked Steve Benon's account. This post purporting to be his does not contain a blow-by-blow account of his taking on a Q12 in the mid 80s and emerging victorious.

First, the account you mention is from some guy named "Benon," not "Benson," so he must not be me.

Second, my account involved discussions with Dallin Oaks and Neal Maxwell of the Quorum of the !2 that took place in 1993, not the mid-'80s, so this "Benon" fellow of which you speak definitely is not me.

nah. bonified was just being his old self, i am sure that was a typo and directed to the real steve benson. bonified, you owe me at least one beer for all the chances you have missed to get a free one from me.

i laugh when i see people, even thick-skinned people like bonified, taking jabs at the rfm crowd or old apostates for retelling old stories or whatever. hell, if i didn't like hearing from the same people about the same crap over and over again i wouldn't have to watch sportscenter or call my mom on mother's day.

i think we should make fun of steve benson, or anyone else over at rfm, for continuing to use the ugliest g-damn formatting for any online conversation on the internet. Jesus, could they use something that wasn't cutting edge in 1981? i can't read that board because the conversation, the fonts, the indents, the indented indents are ridiculous. for all i know, Jesus Christ himself is over there posting in reformed egyptian but nobody would know because the board is such a clownass joke of a format. who cares if everyone is over there pounding their chests about going gladiator on maxwell (he is a wuss), can you please find a way for me to read it without wanting a frontal-lobotomy?

oh, and isn't rfm the home of the story about the guy from the Pacific Northwest that dismantled a terrorist cell in Morocco using the priesthood and a ray gun from the future, and now he is single-handedly combatting the three nephites by bitch-slapping missionaries on his porch? that is another reason not to post there i think.

[_MrStakhanovite]

Pretty sure Steven Benson is a Mormon apologist here to do someone else's dirty work.

[_Steve Benson]

Pretty sure Steven Benson is a Mormon apologist here to do someone else's dirty work.

Wrong Ste"v"en. I spell mine with a "ph."

[_Steve Benson]

I think the fact that Mr. Benson had to edit his story something like 12 times is indicative of the fact that story-telling isn't a hard science and is prone to errors.

You can extrapolate that a prophet of God ought to have infallible knowledge of the space-time continuum, but I think that's reaching a bit.

Bottom line is Mr. Benson loves to rustle some jimmies, but quite often he's more miss than hit.

- Doc

I agree.

I consider the topic closed.

OK, you've closed up shop. What is it, the Mormon Sabbath or something?

[_Steve Benson]

I think the fact that Mr. Benson had to edit his story something like 12 times is indicative of the fact that story-telling isn't a hard science and is prone to errors.

You can extrapolate that a prophet of God ought to have infallible knowledge of the space-time continuum, but I think that's reaching a bit.

Bottom line is Mr. Benson loves to rustle some jimmies, but quite often he's more miss than hit.

- Doc

I don't claim to be a prophet of God like Monson does, so I'm left to edit my own copy.

On the other hand, someone's been editing Monson's copy and it obviously ain't God because it's still full of historical mistakes.

[_MrStakhanovite]

Pretty sure Steven Benson is a Mormon apologist here to do someone else's dirty work.

Wrong Ste"v"en. I spell mine with a "ph."

Could have sworn this roaring douche was identical to the roaring douche in this thread. How many sycophantic true believers do you have here to service you? Can’t be too many.

[_Blixa]

Pretty sure Steven Benson is a Mormon apologist here to do someone else's dirty work.

Lol

Wheeeeeee!

[_Steve Benson]

Could have sworn this roaring douche was identical to the roaring douche in this thread. How many sycophantic true believers do you have here to service you? Can’t be too many.

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That's what you get for swearing. The Holy Ghost has clearly left you to your own mistaken devices.