Apologists Harassing Critics

[_Res Ipsa]

Hey that's okay, Shades. Trust me, there are days when I wouldn't mind if you deleted me.

;-)

Ditto

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I don't know why people didn't just put him on ignore. I have him on ignore now, and if I see a post of his quoted I just scroll past it.

Y'all adults. You're asking other adults to moderate your behavior for you. Look. I think Grindael and IHAQ are the cat's pajamas. They're lambs. But they're adult “F” ing males. Grindael could literally have placed derptard on ignore and drove on.

G-man chose his own behavior and while I stand in personal solidarity with him I really don't like this idea of control just being ceded over to more people who will, they WILL, have subjective moderating standards.

We actually have really good moderation right now, and we have good control measures in place. You know what the best control measure is? It's self-control.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

We actually have really good moderation right now, and we have good control measures in place. You know what the best control measure is? It's self-control.

- Doc

Prais-ed be the chaotic neutral gods and amen.

[_Dr. Shades]

If he knows not what he does, does he deserve more patience from the people with whom he interacts, sort of like how, uh, cognitively-challenged kids are granted a free pass for their random verbal outbursts in the classroom, while the neuro-normal kids are immediately chided?

I'm sorry, Dr. Shades, but that is not fair. Everyone has baggage and cognitive struggles. Everyone should be expected to follow the rules equally.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not implying that MODERATORS should treat him differently than we treat everyone else; I'm saying NON-MODERATORS could perhaps exercise more patience with him before allowing themselves to become angry, for all the reasons I listed.

This is the case not just because people don’t want to be mods, but also because people have a very difficult time meeting Dr. Shades’ particular standards of moderation, which, for all their virtues, are nearly OCD at times.

Don't worry; when it comes to formatting--like when I encourage people to press the "Enter" key 0 times or 2 times--that's not part of a moderator's duties. Those are just my own polite requests. Enforcing the rules is the only thing with which moderators need to concern themselves.

But it does irk me that free speech here amounts to allowing people to defecate in the middle of a park and placing the responsibility on everyone else to watch where they step and hold their noses.

Remember, "Defecation" = "every post you don't agree with." If we tried to police defecation, then who gets to decide what amounts to defecation and what doesn't? If we start down that road, then we soon become just another Mormon Dialogue & Discussion board.

[_DonBradley]

I came by just to lurk, but I find myself utterly confused by the present thread. Could someone briefly bring me up to speed?

[_Res Ipsa]

I came by just to lurk, but I find myself utterly confused by the present thread. Could someone briefly bring me up to speed?

Would you be satisfied with a picture of a giant can of worms?

[_Lemmie]

If he knows not what he does, does he deserve more patience from the people with whom he interacts, sort of like how, uh, cognitively-challenged kids are granted a free pass for their random verbal outbursts in the classroom, while the neuro-normal kids are immediately chided?

I'm sorry, Dr. Shades, but that is not fair. Everyone has baggage and cognitive struggles. Everyone should be expected to follow the rules equally.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not implying that MODERATORS should treat him differently than we treat everyone else; I'm saying NON-MODERATORS could perhaps exercise more patience with him before allowing themselves to become angry, for all the reasons I listed.

Really? With all due respect, Dr. Shades, it is none of your business what emotion a reader experiences, nor is it even possible for you to KNOW what that emotion is.

People are asking you to deal with a troll, and your suggestion here amounts to nothing more than telling the people being trolled to calm down.

But it does irk me that free speech here amounts to allowing people to defecate in the middle of a park and placing the responsibility on everyone else to watch where they step and hold their noses.

Remember, "Defecation" = "every post you don't agree with."

You really think he was referring to posts he doesn't agree with? Kish made it absolutely clear in his OP what he is referring to. For you to reduce people's concerns to '= "every post you don't agree with" ' is entirely missing the point here.

We're asking you to deal with specific trolling behavior. EA has quite clearly described that behavior, as well as its repetitive nature. To frame this part of your response in terms of how those who are trolled should react is to place the blame and the responsibility on the targets of the troll, rather than where it belongs, on the person doing the trolling.

I do appreciate your comments to mentalgymnast, but please note, this is at least the fifth time this year you have dedicated a major post to explaining to mentalgymnast how his specific behavior is breaking the rules, and how you would like him to stop breaking said rules. Each time, you clearly explain this to him, and then each time, including this one, you conclude by giving him yet another chance.

This is ludicrous. People like mg don’t monitor themselves. They require outside monitoring.

The probability that the trolling behavior will continue approaches certainty.

[_Kishkumen]

Don't worry; when it comes to formatting--like when I encourage people to press the "Enter" key 0 times or 2 times--that's not part of a moderator's duties. Those are just my own polite requests. Enforcing the rules is the only thing with which moderators need to concern themselves.

Ah. OK. Thank you for clarifying that.

Remember, "Defecation" = "every post you don't agree with." If we tried to police defecation, then who gets to decide what amounts to defecation and what doesn't? If we start down that road, then we soon become just another Mormon Dialogue & Discussion board.

LOL! Oh, please. Every post I disagree with? Are you serious? I disagree with a helluva lot more than I would ever bother to bring to anyone's attention. If there is any way you can check how many times I have reported a post in the past five years, you would, should you check that, find it is very few times indeed.

I am judging this by the olfactory nerves of my friends who are finding their way to the exit door. The reason is evidently mg. When I do read his posts I find them generally inane, but then I am not the target of his stalking and derailing... at least so that I notice. If I see Maksutov leave, I know something has gone askew and needs attending to.

[_Kishkumen]

Remember, "Defecation" = "every post you don't agree with."

You really think he was referring to posts he doesn't agree with? Kish made it absolutely clear in his OP what he is referring to. For you to reduce people's concerns to '= "every post you don't agree with" ' is entirely missing the point here.

We're asking you to deal with specific trolling behavior. EA has quite clearly described that behavior, as well as its repetitive nature. To frame this part of your response in terms of how those who are trolled should react is to place the blame and the responsibility on the targets of the troll, rather than where it belongs, on the person doing the trolling.

I do appreciate your comments to mentalgymnast, but please note, this is at least the fifth time this year you have dedicated a major post to explaining to mentalgymnast how his specific behavior is breaking the rules, and how you would like him to stop breaking said rules. Each time, you clearly explain this to him, and then each time, including this one, you conclude by giving him yet another chance.

This is ludicrous. People like mg don’t monitor themselves. They require outside monitoring.

The probability that the trolling behavior will continue approaches certainty.

Thank you, Lemmie. You give me a lot more credit that others seem to.

[_Kishkumen]

I don't know why people didn't just put him on ignore. I have him on ignore now, and if I see a post of his quoted I just scroll past it.

Y'all adults. You're asking other adults to moderate your behavior for you. Look. I think Grindael and IHAQ are the cat's pajamas. They're lambs. But they're adult “F” ing males. Grindael could literally have placed derptard on ignore and drove on.

G-man chose his own behavior and while I stand in personal solidarity with him I really don't like this idea of control just being ceded over to more people who will, they WILL, have subjective moderating standards.

We actually have really good moderation right now, and we have good control measures in place. You know what the best control measure is? It's self-control.

I agree that self-control is always best. There was a time when I felt I had to have the last say in every exchange, a time when I was unwilling to let someone else's constant pestering of me slip past me without responding. I guess I just got tired. I also had bigger priorities intervene in my life. I would like to think there was a bit of wisdom mixed in with that decision, but maybe I would be giving myself too much credit.

But I also think there are limits to what people should be expected to put up with. And as I see a number of my friends check out from the board, I am guessing that this particular issue has hit a boiling point.