Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

The catch-all forum for general topics and debates. Minimal moderation. Rated PG to PG-13.
Post Reply
Free Ranger
Deacon
Posts: 221
Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:17 pm

Re: Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

Post by Free Ranger »

drumdude wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:47 pm
Free Ranger wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:46 pm


What did I say that was in poor taste?

And what exactly offended you so much?

It sounds like you're just upset that I used Jordan Peterson as a reference. I also mentioned Nietzsche, and many other references. So I think it's just the Peterson thing that triggered you.
Yep just a troll. Glad I didn't waste any more time.

Keep up the oppression narrative. You're a very special snowflake that has some very unique not copy pasted ideas.
How am I a troll?

You seem very angry with me for some reason. I don't quite understand why. What do you think of my actual initial post? For example: what do you think about the character Kat having a biologically instilled fantasy of wanting to be taken by a patriarchal non-Woke Viking-like warrior? Are you aware of the current family court system and how men are often railroaded? What is your opinion of my LDS uncle whose health masculinity was able to provide for my aunt who now has a debilitating illness? What is your response to my friend whose exMormon wife cheated on him and without a higher ethical standard not only showed no remorse but had no motivation to work things out with him more amicably? What do you think of my female friend in her forties who has the Woke ideal as a career woman but is miserable?

I mean rather than just name call why don't you engage the points I made? Convince me I'm wrong in my point of view. After all I was once more liberal in the 90s and now I'm slightly more conservative, so I'm capable of changing my mind.

I don't understand why this seems like an effective way to change people's minds rather than just get them to be further entrenched in their own point of view. I mean does name-calling and ignoring my argument/opinion and just calling me sexist and bigoted and a troll in an attempt to dehumanize me like a Iron Rod Mormon calling someone an anti-Mormon, actually going to win one to your team? And if you're not in in it to win me to your team, and you think I'm just some nobody with no feelings and I can't change my mind, then aren't you just a nihilist and you're making my point: that as a man I might be better off in the Mormon community? Where at least men are respected and civil dialogue is encouraged.
Last edited by Free Ranger on Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Free Ranger
Deacon
Posts: 221
Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:17 pm

Re: Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

Post by Free Ranger »

[
Last edited by Free Ranger on Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Marcus
God
Posts: 5905
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:44 pm

Re: Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

Post by Marcus »

Free Ranger, if you want to edit a post, click the pencil, NOT THE QUOTES. you keep double posting.
Free Ranger
Deacon
Posts: 221
Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:17 pm

Re: Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

Post by Free Ranger »

Marcus wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:04 pm
Free Ranger, if you want to edit a post, click the pencil, NOT THE QUOTES. you keep double posting.
Yeah thanks, actually just figured that out. My bad.
Marcus
God
Posts: 5905
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:44 pm

Re: Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

Post by Marcus »

Free Ranger wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:00 pm
…And if you're not in in it to win me to your team, and you think I'm just some nobody with no feelings and I can't change my mind, then aren't you just a nihilist and you're making my point: that as a man I might be better off in the Mormon community? Where at least men are respected and civil dialogue is encouraged.
:lol:
MG 2.0
God
Posts: 4274
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:45 pm

Re: Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

Post by MG 2.0 »

Free Ranger wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:12 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:45 pm


99% are running pretty close in tandem.

You’re in hot water if you support and/or appreciate what’s good/positive about the LDS Church. Especially (?) if you’re an exmormon such as yourself.

You should KNOW better. Ha ha.

Regards,
MG
Yeah you make a good point but I just don't know where else to post?
Yeah.

There are probably some folks on this that could actually send some worthwhile thoughts your way…but you’ve seen that there are some voices that might get in the way of that happening.

Truthfully? I think faith based organizations are going to be the only groups out there that don’t go totally woke. That makes it hard, I know, for you. Trying to find a ‘traditional’ structure out there that you, as an agnostic, can depend on as a ‘path’, so to speak, to keep your bearings as a man who wants to live as an equal partner in a relationship and yet define yourself as a man rather than coming up with some amorphous definition of who you are.

Here is another religious organization that’s been around for years now. They subscribe to traditional values of keeping promises. Being a righteous leader, etc. But they also have a religious foundation that they subscribe to. Whether they would be open to someone that is not a person of faith, I don’t know.

https://promisekeepers.org/

Your background is Mormonism. It’s probably in your DNA. There may be some online venues for exmormons (or Mormons?) that are dating sites and you might find a woman with an LDS background who no longer believes but subscribes to more or less traditional values?

Anyway, good luck on your individual path.

This place, as you’ve quickly surmised, may not be the right place for you.

It’s getting harder and harder, I would suppose, to find ‘non woke’ folks that are not religious. Traditional values seem to be eroding in favor of wokeness philosophies that are TOTALLY non judgemental.

Ha ha. Yeah, right. You’ve seen that in play here thus far.

Best wishes,
MG
Last edited by MG 2.0 on Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
MG 2.0
God
Posts: 4274
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:45 pm

Re: Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

Post by MG 2.0 »

Marcus wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:47 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:40 pm


Actually, I try very hard not to.
That’s good. But….uh-oh. The rest of your post…..
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:40 pm
But, you know, it is helpful to know if you are speaking to a male or female.

Don’t you agree?

And honestly, I don’t know how to address you…as a male or female. Androgynous? I mean, whatever. It’s just kind of weird…if you are/were Lemmie why you won’t just own up to it or deny it.

I think most people would be cool with whatever you identify as. But the fact is, I for one, have no idea.

And yes, it matters in a particular conversation such as this. Men…masculinity. Females…femininity. LDS teachings in regards to what makes a good man.

Or maybe a non-binary person should be looked to as THE authoritative voice? Not saying that’s what you are (non-binary), but some folks might like to know.

Personally? I would be a bit hesitant about leaning on the voice of a non-binary person as being authoritative in a conversation with this opening OP. I know others might feel differently.

And that’s OK.

But in my opinion it’s not a bad thing to know where someone is coming from as they are speaking to patriarchy, etc.
Wow. So, an entire post literally disagreeing with your initial statement:
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:40 pm

Actually, I try very hard not to.
Okay then. Not too believable, are you? :D
This, and your other posts, are an interesting peak into someone’s head that is WAY woke. But hey, whatever else you are, you’re not sexist. 😄

But what ARE you?

Curious minds want to know. This is getting fishier and fishier.

You really seem to believe that non-woke folks are inherently sexist (whatever that means nowadays) and seem to lack some kind of understanding that the more enlightened have.

Are you a he/she/they/???

I’m a ‘he’. A father. A husband. A man. There, I got it off my hairy chest. 😄

I’m finding it interesting that you are giving a fellow exmormon and agnostic such a hard time for the very get go.

Kind of mind blowing, actually.

Regards,
MG
Marcus
God
Posts: 5905
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:44 pm

Re: Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

Post by Marcus »

MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:08 pm
…Here is another religious organization that’s been around for years now. They subscribe to traditional values of keeping promises. Being a righteous leader, etc. But they also have a religious foundation that they subscribe to. Whether they would be open to someone that is not a person of fait, I don’t know.

https://promisekeepers.org/
The promise keepers group, with their 7 promises?
…These Seven Promises are rooted in the evangelical perspective that man is the head of the prototypical household in which women and children follow his lead as spiritual authority. The problems inherent in this approach to manhood and masculinity have been well-discussed on RD…

https://religiondispatches.org/Satanic- ... ciliation/
That’s quite a recommendation, mentalgymnast.
Free Ranger
Deacon
Posts: 221
Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:17 pm

Re: Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

Post by Free Ranger »

MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:08 pm
Free Ranger wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:12 pm


Yeah you make a good point but I just don't know where else to post?
Yeah.

There are probably some folks on this that could actually send some worthwhile thoughts your way…but you’ve seen that there are some voices that might get in the way of that happening.

Truthfully? I think faith based organizations are going to be the only groups out there that don’t go totally woke. That makes it hard, I know, for you. Trying to find a ‘traditional’ structure out there that you, as an agnostic, can depend on as a ‘path’, so to speak, to keep your bearings as a man who wants to live as an equal partner in a relationship and yet define yourself as a man rather than coming up with some amorphous definition of who you are.

Here is another religious organization that’s been around for years now. They subscribe to traditional values of keeping promises. Being a righteous leader, etc. But they also have a religious foundation that they subscribe to. Whether they would be open to someone that is not a person of faith, I don’t know.

https://promisekeepers.org/

Your background is Mormonism. It’s probably in your DNA. There may be some online venues for exmormons (or Mormons?) that are dating sites and you might find a woman with an LDS background who no longer believes but subscribes to more or less traditional values?

Anyway, good luck on your individual path.

This place, as you’ve quickly surmised, may not be the right place for you.

It’s getting harder and harder, I would suppose, to find ‘non woke’ folks that are not religious. Traditional values seem to be eroding in favor of wokeness philosophies that are TOTALLY non judgemental.

Ha ha. Yeah, right. You’ve seen that in play here thus far.

Best wishes,
MG
Yeah, I'm definitely getting that now, that there are many voices on exmormon boards now in 2022 that are not respectful of masculinity and Life-driven hierarchy. I will check out Promise Keepers but I am kind of biased toward Mormonism because I do not like how some (not all) Protestants emphasize Eternal Hellfire damnation. Yes, Mormonism is in my DNA, it's my cultural language; and at my mid age, I'm not interested in learning another subculture. Your suggestion of finding an inactive Mormon is a good option. Thanks for your suggestion.

I hadn't thought about that before, that there has been a schism between Traditional Values being now mostly only in religious cultures; and non-religious subcultures being subjected to Wokeism. I think you might be right, for example I began watching Joe Rogan over a decade ago, when he was just a comedian and being a fan of him then; and now he is maligned as a "conservative" when he actually really has a lot of liberal points of view but because he's not full on Woke he is attacked. I've also seen Bill Maher, who I have watched/followed over the years (who has always been known as a Liberal), now being attacked as more conservative by the Woke mob. Crazy times. LOL.
huckelberry
God
Posts: 3046
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:48 pm

Re: Is being a "Mormon" as a Man (and Married LDS), Better in the Midst of Wokeism & Secular Culture?

Post by huckelberry »

FreeRangerI think your concerns are not impossible to understand nor silly. I do think you may be caught looking at parts of the situation and letting them get exaggerated. Considering television I do not watch a large variety of shows but I do see ones with strong sympathetic male roles. Blue Bloods off the top of my head. Comedy seems to gravitate to silly male images sometimes. It is easier to make them funny. I find that sort cheep humor.

It is nothing new for divorce to be difficult. Lawyers take money and courts are set legally to place welfare of children first.

I really do not think that there is a particular exmormon group or type. There are a variety of ways people go. I do agree with you that it is possible to see some values in the Mormon church which are worth keeping.
Post Reply