The Trolley Problem--Nemo the Mormon is back

[Marcus]

And back to the topic:

On the whole physical appearance was not the principal selection criterion. If that was the case, one might question why there are so many critics that like to make a big deal out of Joseph simply being a womanizer (based purely on physical characteristics or age) ...and that this was his primary motivation/drive to take another plural wife. I'm not sure the evidence can be shown to prove this...

And we are back to the mental gymnast's misogynistic and sexist opinions. He tells us that because the women were "less than comely," how is it possible that Smith was a "womanizer"?

Of course, he is the one who has defined "less than comely" as older and or pregnant in his previous posts, here he expands on that by saying it depends on "physical characteristics or age." Then he notes that "physical appearance" was apparently not "the principal selection criterion" for Smith, but of course that is based on his assumption that women should be valued only for their youth, looks, and body, and on the fact that Smith married some women who were older than his youngest wife of 14.

The problem with this trolling approach is that this was Smith's problem, not the women's problem. He couldn't be faithful to his wife. What the women he married looked like or their ages is irrelevant.

Smith cheated on his wife, tried to blame it on his god, had affairs with the household help, including two sisters he and his wife were adopting, threatened woman and their families with supernatural catastrophe if he didn't get his way, married 14 and 16 year olds when he was in his late 30's, lied to his wife repeatedly, and in general acted without character or integrity, and was a complete ass to his wife.

Our trolling mentalgymnast would like to focus on the idea that because some women were older and in his opinion "less than comely," Smith's behavior, his treatment of his wife, and his treatment of young girls and women should be excused. I disagree. Smith's actions were inexcusable.

[MG 2.0]

And back to the topic:

And we are back to the mental gymnast's misogynistic and sexist opinions. He tells us that because the women were "less than comely," how is it possible that Smith was a "womanizer"?

Of course, he is the one who has defined "less than comely" as older and or pregnant in his previous posts, here he expands on that by saying it depends on "physical characteristics or age." Then he notes that "physical appearance" was apparently not "the principal selection criterion" for Smith, but of course that is based on his assumption that women should be valued only for their youth, looks, and body, and on the fact that Smith married some women who were older than his youngest wife of 14.

The problem with this trolling approach is that this was Smith's problem, not the women's problem. He couldn't be faithful to his wife. What the women he married looked like or their ages is irrelevant.

Smith cheated on his wife, tried to blame it on his god, had affairs with the household help, including two sisters he and his wife were adopting, threatened woman and their families with supernatural catastrophe if he didn't get his way, married 14 and 16 year olds when he was in his late 30's, lied to his wife repeatedly, and in general acted without character or integrity, and was a complete ass to his wife.

Our trolling mentalgymnast would like to focus on the idea that because some women were older and in his opinion "less than comely," Smith's behavior, his treatment of his wife, and his treatment of young girls and women should be excused. I disagree. Smith's actions were inexcusable.

You are copying and pasting a previous post of yours without any additional comment? I think you may simply be avoiding comment on an uncomfortable truth which came at you in the previous post.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

And bypassing the passive-aggressive-process-comment trolling once again, back to the topic:

On the whole physical appearance was not the principal selection criterion. If that was the case, one might question why there are so many critics that like to make a big deal out of Joseph simply being a womanizer (based purely on physical characteristics or age) ...and that this was his primary motivation/drive to take another plural wife. I'm not sure the evidence can be shown to prove this...

And we are back to the mental gymnast's misogynistic and sexist opinions. He tells us that because the women were "less than comely," how is it possible that Smith was a "womanizer"?

Of course, he is the one who has defined "less than comely" as older and or pregnant in his previous posts, here he expands on that by saying it depends on "physical characteristics or age." Then he notes that "physical appearance" was apparently not "the principal selection criterion" for Smith, but of course that is based on his assumption that women should be valued only for their youth, looks, and body, and on the fact that Smith married some women who were older than his youngest wife of 14.

The problem with this trolling approach is that this was Smith's problem, not the women's problem. He couldn't be faithful to his wife. What the women he married looked like or their ages is irrelevant.

Smith cheated on his wife, tried to blame it on his god, had affairs with the household help, including two sisters he and his wife were adopting, threatened woman and their families with supernatural catastrophe if he didn't get his way, married 14 and 16 year olds when he was in his late 30's, lied to his wife repeatedly, and in general acted without character or integrity, and was a complete ass to his wife.

Our trolling mentalgymnast would like to focus on the idea that because some women were older and in his opinion "less than comely," Smith's behavior, his treatment of his wife, and his treatment of young girls and women should be excused. I disagree. Smith's actions were inexcusable.

[malkie]

It's entirely possible that JSJr was interested only in the young and the subjectively beautiful, and married older and/or, in his opinion, less attractive women so that later someone could say: "Look, he didn't just marry the lovely ones." Alternatively, that one person has a narrow view of attractiveness has no bearing whatever on the possibility that another person, for example, Joseph, had a wider view.

[Marcus]

It's entirely possible that JSJr was interested only in the young and the subjectively beautiful, and married older and/or, in his opinion, less attractive women so that later someone could say: "Look, he didn't just marry the lovely ones." Alternatively, that one person has a narrow view of attractiveness has no bearing whatever on the possibility that another person, for example, Joseph, had a wider view.

It's also possible that conquest through plural marriage was more a power, domination, and or control issue, and not simply sexual attraction.

[huckelberry]

Your interpretive analysis is that. Just your opinion. I don't happen to agree with it. I think I nailed it. All your other accusatory language is just that...and nothing more. Empty rhetoric.

Coming right behind me again. Trolling along in the waters looking for MG. You found me again! And You. Just. Can't. Leave. Me. Alone.

I find that interesting and at the same time, a little weird. Stalking maybe? Compulsive?

Regards,
MG

MG, you claimed to have nailed it. Well you didn't let any of us know what you thought and why it is better. Instead you just said that your view is better than whatevers.

I actually feel a bit grumpy about this because you attached your words to a post where I expanded upon things involved beyond chasing pretty girls. You ignored my comments to take the time to say some critics don't say what you want to hear.

So perhaps you have trouble finding the letters to explain yourself. I have been using phone instead of keyboard, sometimes letters hide from me.

So perhaps you want to say Joseph made a great sacrifice to marry all those ladies and young women.

[huckelberry]

It's entirely possible that JSJr was interested only in the young and the subjectively beautiful, and married older and/or, in his opinion, less attractive women so that later someone could say: "Look, he didn't just marry the lovely ones." Alternatively, that one person has a narrow view of attractiveness has no bearing whatever on the possibility that another person, for example, Joseph, had a wider view.

It's also possible that conquest through plural marriage was more a power, domination, and or control issue, and not simply sexual attraction.

Marcus, I think your comment focuses down on what looks central. Not sex or power but both.

[MG 2.0]

So perhaps you want to say Joseph made a great sacrifice to marry all those ladies and young women.

There may be some truth to that statement. Especially if you take into account that he was basically pushed into obeying the commandment by an angel. This was an unusual demonstration in which Joseph's agency seems to have been stripped. He had a choice...but.

I haven't seen anything that causes me to think he was just in it for self aggrandizement or obtaining sexual favors (thus my previous comments). The Restoration, from the research I've done, required that the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times include the restoration of ALL things that had been part of the gospel covenant. Even if restored temporarily.

Polygamy was part of that package. Gee whiz, if Emma wasn't at all excited about polygamy and Joseph actually loved her...which he did...why in the world would he get himself (and Emma) into a tangled mess, in some respects, unless he sorta kinda had to?

Previously I said:

On the whole physical appearance was not the principal selection criterion. If that's the case, one might question why there are so many critics that like to make a big deal out of Joseph simply being a womanizer (based purely on physical characteristics or age) ...and that this was his primary motivation/drive to take another plural wife. I'm not sure the evidence can be shown to prove this.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

It's also possible that conquest through plural marriage was more a power, domination, and or control issue, and not simply sexual attraction.

Marcus, I think your comment focuses down on what looks central. Not sex or power but both.

Yes, good point. in my opinion, his desire for personal gratification and his need for power over others was foremost, and then he had to scramble fast and hard to convince people it was what god wanted for him. A very common story, most recently played out with Warren Jeff and the FLDS.

[MG 2.0]

Marcus, I think your comment focuses down on what looks central. Not sex or power but both.

Yes, good point. in my opinion, his desire for personal gratification and his need for power over others was foremost, and then he had to scramble fast and hard to convince people it was what god wanted for him. A very common story, most recently played out with Warren Jeff and the FLDS.

Yes, that would be a point of view supported by many critics.

Regards,
MG