No Second Coming! I prophesy!

[MG 2.0]

You're bankrupt, MG. Believe me, I'm keeping perfect score. You are in a very bad way, MG-baby.

Oh no! I'm doomed!

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

You're bankrupt, MG. Believe me, I'm keeping perfect score. You are in a very bad way, MG-baby.

Oh no! I'm doomed!

Well, I am not going to make this thread all about you, MG, nor will I say you are on your way to Hell? . I just want to point out that the rug has been pulled out from under you and there is no way you will be left standing in *this* thread! I realize you have given up and am fine with that.

I think we can agree that the last days according to Joseph Smith's reckoning began in the year 1820 when he was visited by Jesus as recorded in his 1832 account. Right? And here we are today, 206 years later, and that same Jesus has yet to show up. Right? Look, there is no possibility that "a" (single) generation can fit within the time frame between 1820-2026! That is NOT a generation! So, what is a generation? A generation is:

The people of the same period, or living at the same time

• For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord

• But this generation shall have my word through you

• And for this cause have I said: If this generation harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them

• Thus Satan thinketh to overpower your testimony in this generation, that the work may not come forth in this generation

• Crying repentance, saying: Save yourselves from this untoward generation

• And their testimony shall also go forth unto the condemnation of this generation if they harden their hearts against them

• Say nothing but repentance unto this generation

• Cleanse your hearts and your garments, lest the blood of this generation be required at your hands

• I have sent forth unto this generation

• But, verily I say unto you, that desolation shall come upon this generation as a thief in the night

• And it shall come to pass, that this generation of Jews shall not pass away until every desolation which I have told you

• And to none else will I grant this power, to receive this same testimony among this generation

• And then he shall say unto the people of this generation

• which house shall be built unto the Lord in this generation

• which temple shall be reared in this generation

The original (first) Mormons believed Jesus would be coming sometime during their generation because it was promised that Joseph Smith's followers who believed would be blessed with signs and come to know the signs of the times that would manifest just prior to the Second Coming:

And it shall come to pass that he that feareth me shall be looking forth for the great day of the Lord to come, even for the signs of the coming of the Son of Man.

These things are the things that ye must look for; and, speaking after the manner of the Lord, they are now nigh at hand, and in a time to come, even in the day of the coming of the Son of Man.

And unto you it shall be given to know the signs of the times, and the signs of the coming of the Son of Man;

For behold, the Lord God hath sent forth the angel crying through the midst of heaven, saying: Prepare ye the way of the Lord, and make his paths straight, for the hour of his coming is nigh—

The first generation of Mormons beginning in 1830 died out and many generations to follow never realized or witnessed the promised signs! They all died, every single believer! And now here we are nearly 200 years later!

[MG 2.0]

Oh no! I'm doomed!

Well, I am not going to make this thread all about you, MG, nor will I say you are on your way to Hell? . I just want to point out that the rug has been pulled out from under you and there is no way you will be left standing in *this* thread! I realize you have given up and am fine with that.

I think we can agree that the last days according to Joseph Smith's reckoning began in the year 1820 when he was visited by Jesus as recorded in his 1832 account. Right? And here we are today, 206 years later, and that same Jesus has yet to show up. Right? Look, there is no possibility that "a" (single) generation can fit within the time frame between 1820-2026! That is NOT a generation! So, what is a generation? A generation is:

The people of the same period, or living at the same time

• For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord

• But this generation shall have my word through you

• And for this cause have I said: If this generation harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them

• Thus Satan thinketh to overpower your testimony in this generation, that the work may not come forth in this generation

• Crying repentance, saying: Save yourselves from this untoward generation

• And their testimony shall also go forth unto the condemnation of this generation if they harden their hearts against them

• Say nothing but repentance unto this generation

• Cleanse your hearts and your garments, lest the blood of this generation be required at your hands

• I have sent forth unto this generation

• But, verily I say unto you, that desolation shall come upon this generation as a thief in the night

• And it shall come to pass, that this generation of Jews shall not pass away until every desolation which I have told you

• And to none else will I grant this power, to receive this same testimony among this generation

• And then he shall say unto the people of this generation

• which house shall be built unto the Lord in this generation

• which temple shall be reared in this generation

The original (first) Mormons believed Jesus would be coming sometime during their generation because it was promised that Joseph Smith's followers who believed would be blessed with signs and come to know the signs of the times that would manifest just prior to the Second Coming:

And it shall come to pass that he that feareth me shall be looking forth for the great day of the Lord to come, even for the signs of the coming of the Son of Man.

These things are the things that ye must look for; and, speaking after the manner of the Lord, they are now nigh at hand, and in a time to come, even in the day of the coming of the Son of Man.

And unto you it shall be given to know the signs of the times, and the signs of the coming of the Son of Man;

For behold, the Lord God hath sent forth the angel crying through the midst of heaven, saying: Prepare ye the way of the Lord, and make his paths straight, for the hour of his coming is nigh—

The first generation of Mormons beginning in 1830 died out and many generations to follow never realized or witnessed the promised signs! They all died, every single believer! And now here we are nearly 200 years later!

God's timetable may (does!) vary from ours. "Generation" can have different meanings.

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

God's timetable may (does!) vary from ours. "Generation" can have different meanings.

Please quote Joseph Smith in order to produce evidence to what you are saying. Would you like me to quote him again to show you are lying?

YOU are lying, MG.

[Shulem]

"Generation" can have different meanings.

Yes, the word "generation" can have different meanings in certain contexts but a generation is still a generation no matter how you slice it:

GENERA'TION, noun The act of begetting; procreation, as of animals.

1. Production; formation; as the generation of sounds or of curves or equations.

2. A single succession in natural descent, as the children of the same parents; hence, an age. Thus we say, the third, the fourth, or the tenth generation Genesis 15:16.

3. The people of the same period, or living at the same time.

O faithless and perverse generation Luke 9:41.

4. Genealogy; a series of children or descendants from the same stock.

This is the book of the generations of Adam. Genesis 5:1.

5. A family; a race.

6. Progeny; offspring.

Joseph Smith used the word "generation" in proper context and he understood the meaning of the word unlike you, MG:

• It is a principle I esteem to be of the greatest importance to those who are looking for salvation in this generation, or in these, that may be called, ‘‘the latter times.’

• Hebrew writing in general; and that said title-page is not by any means a modern composition, either of mine or of any other man who has lived or does live in this generation

• I declared to you what the Lord had brought forth by the ministering of His holy angels to me for this generation

• O brethren, let us be thankful that it is as well with us as it is, and we are yet alive and peradventure, God hath laid up in store great good for us in this generation

• Behold, he is blessed of the Lord for his constancy and steadfastness in the work of the Lord; wherefore, he shall be blessed in his generation

• Hence it was that so great a responsibility rested upon the generation in which our Savior lived

• Were I going to prophesy, I would say the end would not come in 1844, 5, or 6, or in forty years. There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes

• But the present generation, if they were going to battle, if they got any assistance from God, they would have to obtain it by faith

• I may safely say that the word Mormon stands independent of the learning and wisdom of this generation

• If this injunction would lie largely on those to whom it was spoken, how much more those of the present generation

• This generation is as corrupt as the generation of the Jews that crucified Christ

• But there has been a great difficulty in getting anything into the heads of this generation

[MG 2.0]

• It is a principle I esteem to be of the greatest importance to those who are looking for salvation in this generation, or in these, that may be called, ‘‘the latter times.’

Generation= "latter times" or by inference to the ancient world "times" at hand.

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

Generation= "latter times" or by inference to the ancient world "times" at hand.

Regards,
MG

I knew that first one would hang you up and that is why I posted it first!

Read and understand the rest of Smith's quotes, MG. Read everything in proper context. Read this whole thread carefully. Get someone to help you.

Are you developing dementia? Or are you just a big liar? Both?

[MG 2.0]

Generation= "latter times" or by inference to the ancient world "times" at hand.

Regards,
MG

I knew that first one would hang you up and that is why I posted it first!

And it makes sense!

Why do you think I got "hung up" on it rather than seeing it as it is?

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

I knew that first one would hang you up and that is why I posted it first!

And it makes sense!

Why do you think I got "hung up" on it rather than seeing it as it is?

Because the name of your Church today is outdated: "Latter-day Saints", and you are not part of *that* generation which has long since expired -- they are all dead! The 20th century separates you from their generation in which you now live (21st century). The term "latter-days" has been grossly expanded in your mind due to the trickery of Church apologetics.

Look, the generation in latter times according to Joseph Smith was within the 19th century. The latter times was a period in which people living in the last generation would survive and see the Second Coming. Joseph Smith is on record for stating how "This generation is as corrupt as the generation of the Jews that crucified Christ", which means the 19th century generation is just as bad as the 1st century generation. To reflect those sentiments, in a letter to Edward Hunter, Joseph Smith wrote, "Myself & family are in health. & our enemies are at peace with us as much as can be expected in this generation."

I hope that helps.

[Shulem]

I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:

Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old [year 1890], thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.

But what else is in the discourse written in the handwriting of Willard Richards that immediately precedes the above statement in D&C 130 that didn't get published in the current version of the D&C? Read it and weep, MG:

I have no doubt of the truth. were I going to prophecy. I would procpesy the end will not come in 1844. or 5— or 6. or 40 years there are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ come. I was once praying earnestly upon this subject. and a voice said unto me.​ My son, if thou livest till thou art 85 years of age, thou shalt see the face of the son of man. . . .

So, there are those then living of the rising generation that will live to see the Second Coming! What is the "rising generation"? It's the young people of their day:

And also it is an imperative duty that we owe to all the rising generation, and to all the pure in heart—

Now it came to pass that there were many of the rising generation that could not understand the words of king Benjamin, being little children at the time he spake unto his people; and they did not believe the tradition of their fathers.

And thus were the Lamanites afflicted also, and began to decrease as to their faith and righteousness, because of the wickedness of the rising generation.

So, Joseph Smith prophesied that those of the rising generation would live to see the Second Coming.

Gotcha!