Matt Long, an attorney and former ex-Mormon podcaster from Infants on Thrones, gave the 5 minute introduction. He's prosecutes sexual abuse crimes and raises awareness about sexual abuse. I don't know who the woman is who is asking Anne the questions.
It's really hard to listen to a single speaker speak continuously for such a long time, but I tried to sum up some salient remarks here for those who can't invest 3 hours.
2010 or so - Anne emails John Dehlin to say she supports him during a time of public criticism of John.
Early 2011 - Anne and her family meet John Dehlin.
March 2011 - Anne and her husband go to a conference with Dehlin. Dehlin shows lots of attention to Anne and hugs her for an unusually long time.
March 2011 - Actually, before that conference John had already sent her flirting texts. And eying her before the conference. Giving her privilaged invites to select discussions.
March 2011 - John apologizes for being creepy. John and her start creating Facebook groups.
March - June 2011 - John is definitely hitting on Anne, they're talking about sex probably. She has Facebook messages. They are becoming closer friends.
June 2011 - John and Anne agree to share a hotel and agree not to do anything sexual. She believes she agreed to it before hand. They hugged and it was a good experience. Anne is troubled by John's hypocrisy.
August 2011 - John invites Anne to introduce the guest at the next conference, she believes only to seduce her. She asks John not to stay at her hotel. John sees her anyway she consents to let him in and they had a naked sexual interaction.
August 2011 - Anne is troubled by John's hypocrisy. Anne is worried John will sabotage her project.
October 2011 - It's consentual and she's enjoying it. He's putting his hands down her pants in the car and getting off on the chance of getting caught.
August 2011 - Actually here he asked her to go find a room in the church to fool around. She thinks it's crazy and again she is troubled by John's hypocrisy. Also she is scared of John getting off on the idea of getting caught.
August 2011 - Anne made John promise not to seduce her and he broke his promise.
October 2011 - Anne can't find any emails about their plans they made to meet each other. John somehow planned for this so only he would have the documents.
November 2011 - Anne can't remember if she told John not to come into her room, she hedges and says John might have texts that say she wanted it. She was good with the sexual interaction they had.
November 2011 - John is excited about the wad of cash they made. He asked if he could come to her hotel and she definitely asked him not to seduce her. John changes "no" to "yes" and she says yes. John says "you know you are consenting" and "you know this is not quid-pro-quo". John and Anne had less amazing sexual experience.
November 2011 - Anne sees a pattern of John changing "no" into "yes" and she tries to reiterate it's messed up and she doesn't want to do this. Her memory of her motivations is unclear.
Late 2011 - The board notices that Anne is doing most of the work and they put her on payroll. Anne reiterates to John that she needs the relationship to end now that she's hired.
Late 2011 - At the next conference at a host's house John agrees not to come into her room. He comes into her room and puts his hands under the sheets and she consented. John is acting erratically trying to get caught. Anne is terrified and remembers hiding under a bed and bawling. Anne has a memory of being sexually confused by a man she loved who is being awful to her. It wasn't like it was before.
Late 2011 - Before this conference Anne figured out she is being manipulated and can't tell when John is lying or not. She begins to focus on John's hypocrisy again and resents how he wants an honorable excommunication and has to repent of her.
February 2012 - Phoenix conference. Anne tells John she doesn't trust him. She doesn't trust herself to say no when John sneaks into her room. Anne hides her location from John but actually when she was staying at another location during this conference she awoke to John kneeling at the foot of her bed. She got up and left and... that's what happened in Phoenix. She's not ok as a human being. Anne is wrestling with her love for John and wanted to protect him from being exposed, damaging the movement she values. She feels burdened. Anne worries about the ethics and her self image of being a very honest person. Anne fears about what will happen if she says anything.
March 2012 - After wrestling with the ethical dilemma Anne decides the best course of action is to ask John to have actual intercourse with her. John doesn't want to and Anne wonders why. Anne is troubled by the hypocrisy that John can't be excommunicated for their fooling around. She feels afraid.
March 2012 - Anne tells John he will come to see her and they will have intercourse. John can't get an erection. Anne believes the game of John turning "no" into "yes" is what John gets off on. Anne gets more suspicious that John is playing games with her and manipulating her. Anne is again troubled by John's hypocrisy and resents his fame.
March 2012 - Night 2. Anne says don't come in her room. Anne is in a children's bed and John comes in the room and gropes her. Anne pushes John off and says go away. Anne says she didn't consent. She's not here to talk about what the definition of assault is or not, these are the nuances, she says.
February - April 2012 - No idea when it was but it was a crime. John asks Anne to masturbate on skype, Anne points her camera away and John listens. Anne asks her not to record, John does anyway. John confesses he recorded her shortly after and she asks him to delete it. Anne feels messed with.
April 2012 - Boston conference. John comes to Anne's town. They go dancing. John asks Anne to go somewhere and she says no and goes home. Anne says not much else to say about that.
June 2012 - Anne's projects are successful. Apologists are going to release the Dehlin hit-piece. Anne is again worried about Dehlin's hypocrisy and also worried she might be exposed. The board decides to make Anne's pay equal to John's, $5000 a month. The board considers making her executive director. (note how these aren't John's decisions, is he really her boss?). John starts being mean to Anne. Anne feels like her being sexual with John was so that John would be nice to her again.
June 2012 - Another conference. John is chasing her around in front of people. He has his hand on her breast. She is consenting. She also touched his penis earlier at some point, consensually. She's feels like she's not ok.
June 2012 - Anne is maybe offered the executive position. Anne doesn't sign the contract, John is telling her back and forth to take or not take it. Anne blames her naiveté and messed up work environment. A donor apparently tells Anne that Open Stories Foundation would fall apart without Anne, she is that important. Anne again is troubled by John's hypocritical desire for an honorable ex-communciation. Anne feels exploited for her work and feels trapped. Anne thinks the best way out is to end the relationship and split Open Stories Foundation so John runs the podcast, and Anne runs the conferences.
Undated mid 2012 - John tells Anne she's leaving. John says he loves her (he said this the whole time). John calls Joanna Brooks to confess the affair and that he can't work with Anne anymore. John blocks Anne out of all the Facebook groups. Anne breaks down crying. Anne again is troubled by the hypocrisy of John wanting an honorable excommunication. Anne feels unsafe. Joanna tells Anne they can't work together because of their affair.
Anne envisions John repenting and moving on, and nothing good happening to Anne. Anne texts Joanna about her side. Joanna is shocked about John's hypocrisy. Joanna doesn't protect Anne and instead works to cover it up to protect John. Anne and Joanna feel the need to protect John to protect the ex-Mormon movement.
Joanna gets Open Stories Foundation an attorney. Open Stories Foundation asks both John and Anne to resign. John asks for 100% of the donations. Anne feels exploited because the donations are from all the work she did for Open Stories Foundation. John is obsessed with money and wants Anne gone.
Anne felt that if she resigned and reapplied she would not be rehired. Anne refuses to resign so she doesn't lose her legal rights. She is terminated. The board apart from Joanna doesn't know any of this. Anne feels unsafe. Anne again is troubled by the hypocrisy of John's honorable ex-communciation.
Open Stories Foundation begins to erase Anne from everything. John reapplied and got rehired. Anne feels the need to tell the board what really happened. Anne is terrified. She wants some protection from the board. Joanna sends the email with the coverup, Anne calls the board members. Anne claims sexual harassment but doesn't want to talk about details, simply instead saying "there's a lot more going on".
Open Stories Foundation board reverses Anne's termination, and drop both John and Anne from the board. Open Stories Foundation lets slip the first attorney they hired said their response was unethical. They're keeping information from Anne. Anne wants to remain a part of the ex-Mormon community and convinces the board to allow her to keep Circling the Wagons project. Anne thinks John is directing Open Stories Foundation to keep Anne from any ex-Mormon projects, silencing her.
Open Stories Foundation asks Anne if she wants a sexual harassment investigation. Anne says no. She was terrified and doesn't want to talk about it.
Anne mentions the texts John provided to the board where Anne messed up, showing it was consentual. Anne and John were both calling it an affair. Anne didn't have the insight then that she does not about how messed up it was. It was initially an affair at the beginning but became messed up. John was taking advantage of it, Anne was trying to be quiet and safe.
Anne has a successful Circling the Wagons conference in November 2012. Anne tries to be resilient. They ask Anne to resign a second time, Anne agrees with one month of severance pay. Open Stories Foundation asks Anne to sign an NDA, but don't say if John is signing one. Anne AGAIN is troubled by the hypocrisy of John's honorable excommunication. Anne refuses to sign the NDA.
Anne claims she wanted to be professional, wanted to go on with her life, but couldn't sign the NDA not knowing if John also had to sign it. She feels tricked.
Anne is troubled by the embarrassment of losing her Facebook groups. She sees it as retaliation from John. She was mortified, humiliated, suicidal.
John releases a podcast apologizing for being anti-Mormon and Anne takes this personally. She can't let go of how hypocritical John is and that he's getting away with everything.
I haven't finished it, 3 hours is a long time. I made it through about 2 hours. But what shines through to me is the number of times Anne says she is troubled by John's hypocrisy and two-faced behavior. How the public views him as a saint but she knows the real John Dehlin. The sexual harassment part is really secondary to her outrage that it's not fair that he has all the power, it's not fair that he comes out ahead, and it's not fair that the world doesn't know what a hypocrite he is.
Good thing no one is proposing that hyperbolic interpretation, then.
