KEP Dictation Argument: The Evidence

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_Paul Osborne

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William SchryverASS wrote: As for the late Professor Nibley, I'm quite sure he is pleased as can be that it was a mere amateur that finally unraveled the long-standing mystery of the Kirtland Egyptian Papers, and that he would not be troubled in the least to have been, in the process, proven wrong about a few things.


Oh for Christ’s sake. Now William SchryverASS has the gull to tell us what a dead person is thinking! He has the audacity to convince mankind that he knows what is going on in the heart and mind of someone who has passed on to the other side.

How refreshing! Let this be the gold standard. William SchryverASS is the official spokesman for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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Wilbur, what's all this talk about you being willing to play for higher stakes? You just challenged me to a debate and then chickened out. Was it because I was willing to raise the stakes further than you were willing to go? I called your bluff because I know you're a coward, and you just proved it. When we meet face to face I intend to challenge not only your claims about the KEP, but also about your virility. You see I don't believe you're anything but a coward who is afraid of someone who is willing to raise the stakes with you. Instead, you come here, ignore the guy who can lay you out, and demean the women and folks like Chris Smith, none of whom deserve your attacks. Now you're over at MAD telling the world that Chris is a career anti-Mormon, and that even his pro-Mormon publications are made deliberately, just to fool people into thinking he's objective.

Every time I read your attacks on others here, and listen to your feminine voice online, I see nothing but a weasle of a man who needs internet accolades to compensate for his lack of virility in real life. What would you do Will when I call you a liar and coward to your face, in front of your friends and possibly your family? Would you finally be a man and address your lies, or would you go hide behind Kerry and Wade for prootection? I suspect you'd be exposed yet again for the coward you really are. You're Uncle Rico. One of those old farts that make up stories about how he was the best at everything when he was younger. I bet you could throw a football over those mountains huh? You could make a motion picture, program computers used by NASA, and of course most importantly, you could "show up" the LDS intellectual Icon of the past century. Oh yeah, and all those apostates stand no chance against a super spiritual stud like you. Your faithfulness and wit are just no match. I bet you were one of those elders who spent most of his mission bragging about how he Bible bashed with a JW and won. You're a legend in your own mind.

Oh, and I heard you bragging about how when on your mission, you were so good at picking up Italian, that everyone mistook you for a native. This is the standard boast of every bonafide duchebag who ever returned from a mission.
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William Schryver wrote:Thanks for another excellent specimen for the "beastlie" folder (inside my larger "Great Apostate Quotes" folder).

So much is revealed about you in this brief little post.


Well, it does prove I'm guilty of schadenfreude.

As for the late Professor Nibley, I'm quite sure he is pleased as can be that it was a mere amateur that finally unraveled the long-standing mystery of the Kirtland Egyptian Papers, and that he would not be troubled in the least to have been, in the process, proven wrong about a few things.


So tell me, how was he mistaken in this quote?

It was not the habit of Joseph Smith to suppress his revelations. He made every effort to see to it that each excerpt from the book of Abraham was published to the world the moment it was presentable. "One cannot read the pages of the early periodicals of the Church," writes James R. Clark, " . . . without being impressed with the fact that to Joseph Smith, availability of the new revelations of God where people could read them and immediately profit by their instruction was more important than the technicality of having acomplete text of these ancient records at the start . . . " Hence, Clark notes, it was his custom to publish them in the form of extracts as he went along.


Did he and Clark just make up the bit about Joseph Smith trying to publish each excerpt from the Book of Abraham the "moment it was presentable?" What evidence did they misread and misunderstand?

And why won't you answer my simple question about whether or not you knew that Joseph Smith et al likely thought the Masonic ciphers WERE Egyptian?
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_Paul Osborne

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I agree with Kevin. Willy boy is a pussy.

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_Paul Osborne

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It was not the habit of Joseph Smith to suppress his revelations. He made every effort to see to it that each excerpt from the book of Abraham was published to the world the moment it was presentable.


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THE PEARL OF GREAT PRICE

A SELECTION FROM THE REVELATIONS, TRANSLATIONS,

AND NARRATIONS OF JOSEPH SMITH
FIRST PROPHET, SEER, AND REVELATOR TO THE CHURCH OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

. . . . a standard work of the Church by action of the First Presidency and the general conference in Salt Lake City on October 10, 1880

A FACSIMILE FROM
THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM
No. 3

EXPLANATION

Fig. 6. Olimlah, a slave belonging to the prince.
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Beastie,

I read your theory that Joseph Smith may have been bi polar, certainly a possibilty. I'm certainly not an expert or even a novice on bi polar disorders... but, doesn't a person with this disorder have deep lows along with their highs? Are you aware if Smith had these lows? I've formed a personal opinon of his persona as always being up and optimistic? This would be a great study, have you read anything on his "mood swings" if any?

My best friend growing up had a rough up bringing, and always had to fend for himself, buying his own school clothes in elementry school etc. Looking back I believe his mother may have been a prostitute. But anyway he always had an angle, always working the moment for his advantage, always a taker and never a giver, last time I did a google search on him I found him in prison...this is how I always pictured Joseph Smith after loosing my testimony of him. I like your theory, it makes sense, except for the self destructive lows people go through with the disorder, but again it is a very limited understanding of the disorder.

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Joseph definitely had depressive episodes, usually when he either felt betrayed by friends and family or was away from them for extended periods of time. Whether this was the result of a psychological condition, though, is hard to say. He doesn't come across to me as bipolar, really. I think a likelier diagnosis is Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
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I'll start a new thread on Joseph Smith's mental state so as not to totally derail this one.
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Cracker:
When we meet face to face I intend to challenge not only your claims about the KEP, but also about your virility.

LOL!

You better make sure you bring along plenty of friends.
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Smith:
I think a likelier diagnosis is Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

And thus another diagnostician weighs in ...

I hope that, one day, you will write a paper about that, too.
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I do find it interesting that pretty much everything said on this message board about me and Joseph Smith is virtually interchangeable.

I consider that a compliment.
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William Schryver wrote:Cracker:
When we meet face to face I intend to challenge not only your claims about the KEP, but also about your virility.

LOL!

You better make sure you bring along plenty of friends.
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Smith:
I think a likelier diagnosis is Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

And thus another diagnostician weighs in ...

I hope that, one day, you will write a paper about that, too.
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I do find it interesting that pretty much everything said on this message board about me and Joseph Smith is virtually interchangeable.

I consider that a compliment.

So does everyone else in the mental ward.
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