Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_beastie]

Sorry I'm so late to this conversation. I just logged in and noted several PM's asking me to comment on the charge of Will calling harmony the "c" word. It's been over 6 months since the thread in question occurred, so my memory is pretty hazy. But I can honestly say that I do not recall ever seeing Will use the "c" word, in that thread or in any other. And given how repulsed I am by that word, I'm pretty sure I would remember if he had. Of course, Will could have used such a word and it was edited out before I saw it, but I have NO evidence at all of this. If memory serves, my statement then to Will about his poor treatment of harmony had more to do with his tone than any profanity, but it certainly wasn't about him using the "c" word (or my response would have been much worse).

Thank you for your input, Rollo.

The human memory is pretty unreliable, and we have conflicting evidence from various trustworthy sources, so I'm willing to regard the "c word" event as unresolved.

But, as numerous posters have previously pointed out, this was just one incident among many. The case against Schryver is just as strong without that particular incident.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

The human memory is pretty unreliable, and we have conflicting evidence from various trustworthy sources, so I'm willing to regard the "c word" event as unresolved.

I'm not saying he never used the "c" word; I'm simply saying that I never saw it used in that thread (and I'm quite certain about this, because I would remember if he had used that vile word).

[_beastie]

I'm not saying he never used the "c" word; I'm simply saying that I never saw it used in that thread (and I'm quite certain about this, because I would remember if he had used that vile word).

I'm not saying your memory is at fault, but someone's memory must be at fault, because we have conflicting reports by eye witnesses that seem to have no reason to lie.

I appreciate your honesty.

[_Dad of a Mormon]

I'm not saying he never used the "c" word; I'm simply saying that I never saw it used in that thread (and I'm quite certain about this, because I would remember if he had used that vile word).

I'm not saying your memory is at fault, but someone's memory must be at fault, because we have conflicting reports by eye witnesses that seem to have no reason to lie.

I appreciate your honesty.

If the post was edited fairly quickly, why would we think that Rollo would even have the opportunity to see it?

[_Eric]

If the post was edited fairly quickly, why would we think that Rollo would even have the opportunity to see it?

Because Rollo replied to the post before it was edited (see the "anti-Christ" comments in that thread.)

[Gadianton]

Didn't Trevor state that HE had heard firsthand testimony but his testimony to you would be hearsay evidence? Isn't that correct?

Yes, AFTER I had corrected his misunderstanding.

What is he misunderstanding?

As evident from the quotes you posted, Trevor clealy misunderstood my comment about hearsay to have been in reference to "someone who witnessed the event in question." I corrected his misunderstanding by telling him that: "One would have to seriously mangle my comment in order to come to that mistaken conclusion." I clarified further that it was he that I had in mind as "the one offering hearsay evidence." Had he correctly understood the meaning of "hearsay" at that time, he would not have made made this mistake. I then encouraged him to "Please look up the word 'hearsay' and learn."

Whether he misunderstood you about something else is a different issue. But I don't see where he said anything that would demonstrate that he didn't understand what hearsay is.

If you can't see it after I have painstakingly detailed it for you, then I can't help you and there is no point in attempting further--not that this trite, though seemingly terminal off-topic nonsense was worth pursuing to begin with. For my part, I am done. Say what you will/

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Dad of a Mormon]

Didn't Trevor state that HE had heard firsthand testimony but his testimony to you would be hearsay evidence? Isn't that correct?

Yes, AFTER I had corrected his misunderstanding.

No, his quote was posted before yours.

[_consiglieri]

I haven't read the thread in its entirety, but didn't want my name to be inadvertently omitted from the list of Will's most vociferous and ardent antagonists.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Trevor]

No, his quote was posted before yours.

Dad of Mormon,

Would that this kind of nonsense were exceptional. If only it were...

[_Simon Belmont]

Would that this kind of nonsense were exceptional. If only it were...

Whelp, I just go through performing an extensive search on both Google and MDB for the username "Trevor" with the keyword "wrong" and nothing came up, other than others saying you were wrong.

Interesting.