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CV75 wrote:I’m sure the more headway the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints makes in the world, the more hangers-on there will be to ride the coattails; the more ambitious, creative and free spirits will tinker with it for their own vainglory; and the more aficionados of tread-worn philosophies and trends will reinvent themselves with a patina of Mormonism to give it a fresh, new look. Instead of breaking the mold, they will cram themselves into it, though the reasons for doing so remain the same.


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MrStakhanovite wrote:
CV75 wrote:I’m sure the more headway the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints makes in the world, the more hangers-on there will be to ride the coattails; the more ambitious, creative and free spirits will tinker with it for their own vainglory; and the more aficionados of tread-worn philosophies and trends will reinvent themselves with a patina of Mormonism to give it a fresh, new look. Instead of breaking the mold, they will cram themselves into it, though the reasons for doing so remain the same.


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That is possibly the least perceptive post about Mormonism ever. I could not even begin to start unpacking the myriad problems in that terrible sentence.
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http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/567 ... 1209082261

Duncan wrote:I have never understood the philosophy of why someone would leave the Church over historical issues. I have a degree in History...


I weep. I just weep.
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http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/567 ... 1209082428

Deborah wrote:Also I think it is sad that once you leave the church over something you have read in the history, you miss all the new information that is rapidly coming forth. In other words you are stuck with the old information without seeking further enlightenment with all the new research going on.


The ever confused Deborah is sad that critics who leave the church because of historical evidence might not have access to all the new evidence coming forth that might be supportive of Mormonism.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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Bond James Bond wrote:http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/56713-the-philosophy-of-leaving-the-church-over-historical-issues-like-what-is-it/page__view__findpost__p__1209082261

Duncan wrote:I have never understood the philosophy of why someone would leave the Church over historical issues. I have a degree in History...


I weep. I just weep.

LOL! Poor Bond. Your undergrad was in History, wasn't it?
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Bond James Bond wrote:http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/56713-the-philosophy-of-leaving-the-church-over-historical-issues-like-what-is-it/page__view__findpost__p__1209082428

Deborah wrote:Also I think it is sad that once you leave the church over something you have read in the history, you miss all the new information that is rapidly coming forth. In other words you are stuck with the old information without seeking further enlightenment with all the new research going on.


The ever confused Deborah is sad that critics who leave the church because of historical evidence might not have access to all the new evidence coming forth that might be supportive of Mormonism.


Yeah, this one is pretty sad. Especially at this point when the rising generation of people in Mormon Studies have thrown off apologia and are producing excellent and challenging scholarship. I suspect the problem here is that "history" = "old," and thus if you are interested in it you're de facto missing "the new."
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More from the "I don't understand history" thread (which may be the worst MDD thread ever):

Sky wrote:A Mormon is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – pure and simple. That is a commonly understood and permanent definition. I guess I just find it odd how certain people are so eager to identify themselves as a Mormon while rejecting most or all of the doctrines of the Church. It speaks to the power that Mormon theology holds over people, whether they believe it or not. They want it both ways. It’s like it’s become some sort of ethnicity for them or something.


If it has "become some kind of ethnicity" then it's obvious it's NOT about the "power that Mormon theology holds over people."

Anyway, that's what is most interesting about an otherwise dreary thread: the deep chagrin over people who acknowledge their own history as Mormons at the same time rejecting their membership in the contemporary church.

I wish MFBukowski would weigh in and tell Sky a few things about "understood and permanent definitions." Like their non-permanence, i.e., their historical status. For a thread ostensibly about history, no one want to admit the possibility of change.

Also, Lightbearer says, "Do I believe some rabid Anti-Mormon scum or some faithless intellectual that depends on the testimony of traitors or liars for their history or do they believe the official Church history[?]"

I dunno. Ask Juanita Brooks for starters. Or Richard Bushman even.

In other words, read some history.
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Bond James Bond wrote:The ever confused Deborah is sad that critics who leave the church because of historical evidence might not have access to all the new evidence coming forth that might be supportive of Mormonism.


I don't say this lightly, however, I think she's not only a tad confused, but she's a rather malicious person.
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Bond James Bond wrote:http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/56713-the-philosophy-of-leaving-the-church-over-historical-issues-like-what-is-it/page__view__findpost__p__1209082261

Duncan wrote:I have never understood the philosophy of why someone would leave the Church over historical issues. I have a degree in History...


I weep. I just weep.


liz3564 wrote:LOL! Poor Bond. Your undergrad was in History, wasn't it?


Associates, Bachelors, A.B.T. to Masters, hopefully Ph.D....yeah I weep.
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I avoid church religiously.
This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
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Runtu wrote:
Bond James Bond wrote:The ever confused Deborah is sad that critics who leave the church because of historical evidence might not have access to all the new evidence coming forth that might be supportive of Mormonism.


I don't say this lightly, however, I think she's not only a tad confused, but she's a rather malicious person.


I didn't want to say "the ever stupid" Deborah, but "malicious" applies to Deborah and a host of other people over there. It's amazing to me that the most "pure and true believers" almost always have a set of hidden claws ready to sink into someone who shows any weakness or crisis of faith. Seems the truly pious (perhaps I mean the nice people) have a bit of doubt to keep them humble, like Steuss, consig, and others.
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Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

MASH quotes
I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it.
I avoid church religiously.
This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
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